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Even midwestern Lutherans were not at the towers that day, P is " saying" in some sense. That is a small novelistic point about one conspiratorial belief. 

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On Nov 26, 2013, at 6:03 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen <lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:

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> I'm not convinced.
> 
> Especially enigmatic I find your reference to Horst's ethno-cultural background ("he's a Lutheran, not a Jew or a Saudi"). What does this have to do with his trustworthyness re the debated issue?
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> On 25.11.2013 21:56, Fiona Shnapple wrote:
>> Great. A page and passage for a change.
>> 
>> Turn back to we are re introduced to Horst. On page 21. How does Horst
>> do his job so well. He makes a ton of money trading commodities.
>> Risky, rough and tumble business. He trades in the  Chicago Pits. We
>> learn he is a clam, silent type, emotionless dude from the Midwest,
>> but he fights like the devil in the pits and makes deals, and he is
>> not afraid to slam the rules into the boards to get a hat trick. And
>> he does score hat tricks.  In fact, he has some kind of magic, so he
>> knows how commodities around the world will behave (21). In other
>> words, he trades futures and he can see into it as far as the price of
>> commodities goes. Not a bad gift if you can get it and keep it. And
>> he's kept it, for he enjoys and error free history.
>> 
>> Unless his gift or luck, or combination of both is so rare nobody else
>> can make bets and make a pile? But that's not true. Hell, the Dow
>> Jones Transportation Index hit a triple top. And every fool know how
>> high oil prices were and how the airlines have an inverse relationship
>> to the price of Bent and WTI.
>> 
>> And, anytime a hug longshot is out there, somebody is gonna put some
>> money on it. No, Horst can't explain why he wasn't in his office that
>> day when the towers were struck. And he's a Lutheran not a Jew or a
>> Saudi.
>> 
>> Pynchon debunks these conspiracy theories; these divisive theories
>> that say the Jews got out, the Arabs got out....the Bush people got
>> out. He debunks them and piles them in the landfill with the Bush
>> attack on Iraq.
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen
>> <lorentzen at hotmail.de>  wrote:
>>> Pynchon might "debunk" March to a certain degree.
>>> 
>>> But Horst? I don't see that.
>>> 
>>> "This is the Chicago Exchange, toward the end of last week, see? there was a
>>> sudden abnormal surge of put options on United Airlines. Thousands of puts,
>>> not a heck of a lot of calls. Now, today, the same thing happens for
>>> American Airlines." (p. 315)
>>> 
>>> "HORST MEANTIME IS PUZZLED ABOUT something else. 'Remember the week before
>>> this happened, all those put options on United and American Airlines? Which
>>> turned out to be exactly the two airlines that got hijacked? Well, it seems
>>> on that Thursday and Friday there were also lopsided put-to-call ratios for
>>> Morgan Stanley. Merrill Lynch. couple others like them, all tenants of the
>>> Trade Center. As a fraud investigator, what does that suggest to you?'" (pp.
>>> 323-324)
>>> 
>>> Horst emphasizes that he's trying "to keep hold of my common sense" (p.
>>> 324); in general he's portrayed as non-hysterical and intelligent.
>>> 
>>> So what's your point?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 25.11.2013 11:21, Fiona Shnapple wrote:
>>>> JT sez,
>>>>> So even though Pynchon, in BE does suggest some sinister possibilities
>>>>> along the lines of insider foreknowledge,  almost no one on the p->list
>>>>> wants to even think about, hear about, or talk about it in anything but a
>>>>> very reactionary  and fundamentally ad hominem way.
>>>> He doesn't suggests them; his characters do; he debunks them.  Why?
>>>> That is the question. The answer is not too easy to get at. You, and
>>>> the others who attack you, ignore the book, for the most part. It's
>>>> not easy to argue that P suggests something sinister, not with this
>>>> book. Give me pages and I'll argue against such a reading.
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