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[David Morris]

All of the things on the list below involve deceptions that were revealed.
None were mystically unknowable.  Each below came to light almost
inevitably by the inherent inability of people to not fuck up in their
deceits somewhere along the way.  But some conspiracies are forever
unknowable because the knowable wont be enough for some, ever.

On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Joseph Tracy wrote:
>
> , but I look at what was done secretly in the 3rd reich, I look at Vietnam
> and Iraq , I look at Chile or Greece or Venezuela or Brazil. I see the long
> trail of of imperial madness and capitalist madness and colonial madness
> and organized crime and I think it wise to be skeptical.
>
> On Nov 26, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Mark Kohut wrote:
>
> > You are also wrong in your overgeneralized characterization of the plist
> members who differ with you and how they differ.  I, for one, resent it and
> have just deleted a longer post.
> >
> > "reactionary" arguments?.....a politicization akin to Fox News'...
> >
> > I
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Nov 25, 2013, at 3:32 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >
> > > To believe that a group who fabricated lies to murder over half a
> million Iraqis  and in so doing sacrificed over 5000 soldiers and left many
> thousands wounded all in order to seize control of their oil would balk at
> killing some Americans to get what they want is to think that Americans are
> different than humans through most of history.
> > >
> > > This whole proposition is nothing more than the idea that anyone who
> thinks airplane engines  and wings disappear when they hit buildings is
> uncritical. Or that anyone who dares to question a media and political
> leadership notorious for lying is uncritical.
> > >
> > > The official inquiriies into 9-11 i are not, as suggested  in the
> article, unanimous,  in fact a commission chairman resigned in protest that
> and there are several instances where whistleblowers like Colleen Rowley
> and Sibel Edmonds were punished and those they exposed were promoted. That
> kind of example is bound to  skew the results.
> > >
> > > It is not as though we live in a time of outstanding courage in
> challenging the lies of authoritarian systems. This is clear from
>  thousands of NSA people who dared not speak out like Snowden did .
> > >
> > > The language of "these people" and "the rest of us" is the language of
> demagoguery .  His argument  is straw man and nothing but straw man.
> > >
> > > I think your own arguments so far are lazy and have nothing to do with
> the substantive facts. It may be very possible that you haven't really
> looked at the evidence presented by the truthers to even know what you are
> refuting. I see no evidence that you have. It is understandable. One only
> has so much time and I find this stuff as tedious as anyone, but I am
> curious and can't dismiss so easily the facts which disagree with the
> commission narrative.
> > >
> > > So far only one person on the list has referred me to articles of the
> nature I requested, articles that are  fact based examinations of truther
> concerns. That was Mike Bailey. Rather I get  reactionary put-downs based
> on  false or convenient assumptions about my motives( I don't by any means
> believe in some all powerful elite).
> > > So even though Pynchon, in BE does suggest some sinister possibilities
> along the lines of insider foreknowledge,  almost no one on the p-list
> wants to even think about, hear about, or talk about it in anything but a
> very reactionary  and fundamentally ad hominem way.
> > > On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Markekohut wrote:
> > >
> > >> A post as clearly thorough as Orwell would want. Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPad
> > >>
> > > > Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>
> -
> Pynch
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