Hitchcock (was Heres an Essay I Wrote (sic))

jochen stremmel jstremmel at gmail.com
Thu Oct 3 08:15:43 CDT 2013


If Pynchon began appending (bracketing) film dates in Vineland,
couldn't it be that he is doing penance for his blunder with The
Return of Jack Slade in Gravity's Rainbow?

2013/10/3 John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com>:
> VL had film dates appended too. Always thought that quirk was meant to
> represent the typical TV guide style.
>
> If I recall, Ernie makes some points about Hollywood blacklisting that
> are very similar to the John Garfield discussions in IV.
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Carvill John <johncarvill at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I think Hitchcock achieved deeper meaningfulness than  the critics gave him
>> credit for at the time, and in fact he was deeper than he consciously
>> intended to be. Not that it's my favourite Hitchcock film, but there's no
>> denying the depth in 'Vertigo', for instance.
>>
>> Do we reckon the movie references in BE mean anything much? More or less
>> than in IV? Of course we recall all the film stuff in VL - 24fps, Hollywood
>> unions, etc. I notice that, as in IV, film titles frequently have the date
>> appended to them - but not always. Is this non uniformity deliberate or
>> accidental?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Subject: Re: Heres an Essay I Wrote About The Bleeding Edge Book Trailer -
>>> Spoiler
>>> From: brook7 at sover.net
>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 01:45:04 -0400
>>> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>
>>> Responding to Michael B
>>> good locus for discussion. Kind of interesting also to think of Hitchcock
>>> as a master of deeper meaning, because he probably is to some degree, but
>>> that isn't really what I think of. Others? Another BE Hitchcock reference
>>> was to Rear Window, with the urban apartment under observation being
>>> transferred in BE to the Deseret. And one of the observations that Reg the
>>> filmmaker's investigation initiates is what Reg shot there on the roof, a
>>> shot of a shooter of a shooter of a future shooter. Obviously rife with
>>> undeveloped "deeper meaning".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 12:03 AM, Michael Bailey wrote:
>>>
>>> > No spoilers here...but doesn't it seem like a typically humble take, the
>>> > wiseacre kid who wrote about Nueva York in V. not having learned a gosh darn
>>> > thing, writing about the City again 50 years later?
>>> >
>>> > "after a bunch of journeyings, to, like, come back & know the place for
>>> > the 1st time"
>>> >
>>> > Or - now this is a quote from pg 143 - scroll down if not keeping
>>> > perception virginal -
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "ain't like I was ever Alfred Hitchcock or somethin.
>>> > You can watch my stuff till you're crosseyed and there'll never be any
>>> > deeper meaning.
>>> > I see something interesting, I shoot it is all."
>>> >
>>> > Well anyway, that's the big angle I'm cogitating on for the nonce, BE
>>> > vis a vis V. And the implausible denial, a storytelling tradition, of
>>> > high-flown or wide-ranging or deeply meaningful aspirations.
>>> >
>>> > I am truly not going to develop this right now - attention span issues
>>> > as well as "too soon" - but it does seem kinda juicy for a compare /
>>> > contrast at some pt.
>>> >
>>>
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