Chabon on BE

[Keith Davis]

Enjoyed the article and this discussion of it. Wish I had finished the book
before I read it, though. Reading this discussion made we wish I had the
time to fully participate in this group read. You are all a fine group of
readers! Lots of good insights.


On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Rich Clavey <antizoyd at yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 10/20/13, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: Chabon on BE
>  To: "Rich" <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>  Cc: "John Bailey" <sundayjb at gmail.com>, "Michael Bailey" <
> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>, "P-list" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>  Date: Sunday, October 20, 2013, 5:56 PM
>
>  But Pynchon's main point about all
>  these Zones is their brief existence.  Small temporary
>  places beyond the reach of enslaving power.  Always to be
>  briefly enjoyed before those spaces are colonized or
>  reclaimed.
>
>
>  On Sunday, October 20, 2013, Rich  wrote:
>  As I've said before
>  Pynchon has left preterite somewheres
>
>
>  On Oct 20, 2013, at 3:21 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  It is an analogy, and
>  only one of many possible zones.  Not that I espouse this
>  kind of zonal paradise.  It just seems Pynchon repeated
>  model.
>
>
>  On Sunday, October 20, 2013, Rich  wrote:
>
>  But what good is it if only accessible by the well
>  connected (haha)?
>
>  Hardly a paradise, no?
>  rich
>  On Oct 20, 2013, at 2:22 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>  I think DA is supposed to
>  be internet Zone, anarchy, a place w/o rules or rulers.
>  Pynchon Paradise. What is it "for?"  Wrong
>  question. What for do you want to make it?
>
>
>  David Morris
>
>  On Saturday, October 19, 2013, John Bailey  wrote:
>
>  Yeah, I'm a bit confused about
>  DeepArcher too... as far as I can tell,
>
>  it's a program lodged in the deep web, which as you say
>  is basically
>
>  the "place" where IP addresses aren't
>  connected to DNS so won't show
>
>  up on any search engine, and you need a direct link or
>  knowledge of
>
>  the specific IP address to access it.
>
>
>
>  So that kind of makes sense - DeepArcher is a program with
>  Second
>
>  Life-like aspects that can't be accessed unless you have
>  the key. And
>
>  later on the security of the fortress is compromised, and
>  then the
>
>  gates are just thrown open and it basically leaves the Deep
>  Web and is
>
>  accessible from the surface.
>
>
>
>  What I really don't get is what the *hell* the program
>  is for. A
>
>  Second Life that only a handful of people can get into? And
>  do what?
>
>  The descriptions of Maxine's early journeys around the
>  place make it
>
>  seem like a point-and-click adventure game with no mystery
>  to it or
>
>  reason to play further. Except it has stunning graphics, for
>  the
>
>  era...
>
>
>
>  At first I thought it was a navigation system for travelling
>  through
>
>  the Deep Web but that doesn't really seem right, since
>  it would
>
>  basically be a search engine with graphical interface for
>  finding the
>
>  IP addresses of places that aren't meant to be findable.
>  Which would
>
>  be exactly the thing that would pose a threat to the entire
>  meaning of
>
>  the Deep Web, even if you could erase your footsteps the way
>  DA
>
>  promises.
>
>
>
>  Anyway, maybe that's the point - that this supposedly
>  subversive
>
>  method of total anonymity itself provides the architecture
>  for control
>
>  and surveillance and some sweet home shopping.
>
>
>
>  On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Michael Bailey
>
>  <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>
>  >
>
>  > On Oct 19, 2013 7:09 PM, "Monte Davis" <montedavis at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>  >>
>
>  >> Chabon is careless there. Ernie's capsule
>  history is not *historically*
>
>  >> baseless: yes, DARPA did fund some of the IT
>  research leading to TCP/IP
>
>  >> and
>
>  >> packet switching. And yes, the Cold War
>  justification for that funding
>
>  >> *was*
>
>  >> to develop a network technology that could
>  "work around" servers knocked
>
>  >> out
>
>  >> by enemy attack, so that government could keep
>  communicating.
>
>  >>
>
>  >
>
>  > One of my other favorite authors, John Crowley, in _The
>  Translator_
>
>  > made the female protagonist's dad a darpa dude and
>  evoked those times
>
>  > wonderfully.
>
>  >
>
>  > If we were gonna get crazy and do a non-p group read
>  like we did a few yrs
>
>  > back - I guess I finally thought of the one I'd
>  suggest (-:
>
>  >
>
>  > But getting back to BE, I sort of have a question about
>  this deep web where
>
>  > Deep Archer resides - does that correspond to anything
>  nonfictional?  I mean
>
>  > are we talking about using a browser to navigate to
>  some bare IP address
>
>  > known not to dns at all but only to the cognoscenti?
>  Afaik there were bbses,
>
>  > ftp and gopher, and then all of a sudden there was
>  yahoo and aol and urls
>
>  > but nowhere was there anything like deep archer which
>  is sophisticated,
>
>  > ambiguous - nothing like the games I'm aware of -
>  plus it's more and less
>
>  > than a game, possibly even a place that responds to
>  users' emotional and
>
>  > spiritual states of mind and even a place where a
>  person can be said to
>
>  > reside while accessing it.  Maybe a mmorpg or a Second
>  Life type
>
>  > environment?
>
>  >
>
>  > A development of the angelic realms alluded to at the
>  beginning of Vineland
>
>  > and the amazing things computers - the ideal readers
>  with the ideal insomnia
>
>  > - can do with mere 1s and 0s by stringing enough of
>  them together.
>
>  >
>
>
>
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