BE 54-55: The Post & UWS Co-Op Mkt. Etc.

[Fiona Shnapple]

My point is that there are poor people, people of quite limited means,
people a paycheck away from povery... living on Manhattan's UWS.

As several pages of I've linked explain, the complex real estate
market of Manhattan has, like Berkely I guess (can't say, but I think
your acomparison makes a lot of sense), puts rich yuppies in the same
building with working class poor people.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Robin Landseadel
<robinlandseadel at comcast.net> wrote:
> We all assumed you were Alice anyway.
>
> I think I'll need a flow chart of right and left from you to clear up all
> these Humpty-Dumpty-isms.
>
> I suppose removing the "Young" from "Young Urban Professionals" would clear
> things up. I suspect that the UWS is rather like Berkeley in having so much
> of its "professional" money coming from old-left, unionized bureaucracies.
> There was an uptick in the local economy as Dot.Com winners from across the
> bridge or down around Cupertino came to campus southside in the 80's & 90's,
> drawn like moths to Cody's and Amoeba, not to mention all the bad pizza and
> force ten tirades from the local streetfreeks. UC Berkeley Money, Livermore
> Labs money, Bayer Labs money, Dot.Com money is/was the financial "juice"
> that kept Berkeley's "Telegraph Avenue" community alive. Tthat is  until the
> Interwebs came along. Now Telegraph  south of Bancroft is dead, dead, dead.
> Food not Bombs still serves free lunch, six times weekly at People's Park.
> The panhandler community has moved on to greener acres.
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 6:30 AM, Fiona Shnapple wrote:
>
>>> Sorry, I don't think "UWS, Leftist". i think "UPS Yuppie", 'cause if you
>>> can
>>> afford to live in the UWS, you are a Yuppie.
>>
>>
>> Not true. That's kind of  ridiculous, and I don't know why some of the
>> NYers here have confused you and other readers who don't live here.
>> There are lots of people living on the UWS, most are older folk, close
>> to P's age, in apartments they have been renting for a long time who
>> pay 800 or 1200 a month and can not afford to pay more. There are
>> still stabilized apartments on the UWS, and , while stabilized often
>> means lower quality, this is not always the case on the UWS. Now, I
>> may buy a sink or a light fixture, have the building install it for
>> me...so on, but the idea that everyone in the neighborhood is rich is
>> false. Sure, it changed, you get into the building and meet yuppies,
>> and there is some tension as people may pay much higher rents for
>> apartments that are not as nice as a stabilized at 900...and, of
>> course, there are assessments and old folk, on fixed incomes, and
>> poorer folk can be knocked about by building improvements that yuppies
>> demand, they get in, politically and push older and poorer people out.
>> Sure, it's complicated but not everyone, believe me or go ask Alice it
>> takes one to know one,  is a rich yuppie or rich or a yuppie.
>> -
>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>
>
> -
> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
-
Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l