BEER Ch. 6, 53-57: knotting into March Kelleher

[Mark Kohut]

All the meanings above, yes, Fiona I say.   we have tortured the word enough and for P, it contains all, not coded to any one....



On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:27 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
overwhelmingly (almost) to me that this line was added after the ARC.....
 
To me, another resonance as stated is that it adds to seeing the story now but as already long past. 
 
I too. despite remembering the Le Carre praise of TRP side with Monte's first meanings, seconded by Jochen, most. 
 
I also think one of the best insights of this read is Jochen's "Unstructured", my ass".....Leavis-like in more ways than one. 



On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:56 PM, Fiona Shnapple <fionashnapple at gmail.com> wrote:
  
The written explanatory matter accompanying an illustration, map, etc.

Working chronologically thru the OED, this one shows up in late
capitalism, in the 20th century. And, as P is fond of maps and
mapping, I'm gonna go with it. That's only if I have to play this game
of Scrabble?

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net> wrote:
> I’m leaning to yours, David, but not 100% sold on any suggestion so far.
> Consider context: Ziggy has just handed Maxine a flyer for March Kelleher’s
> website,  autographed by March at the school assembly.
>
>
>
> “’Hey, so you saw March. Well. In fact, well well.’ The hashslingrz legend
> continues, here. March Kelleher happens to be Gabriel Ice’s mother-in-law…”
>
>
>
> 1.      Legend = cover story (maybe via Le Carre): March’s relationship to
> Ice is a fact, not  part of a false identity or a deceptive background for
> Ice or his company.
>
> 2.      Legend = saga, lore, myth: I’m not sure how it makes Ice or
> hashslingrz more “legendary,” or affects their
 reputation at all,  to know
> that his mother-in-law spoke at Kugelblitz
>
> 3.      Legend = key to interpretation: Maxine has not seen March for 10-15
> years, and right now the only current information she has is that Marsh
> talked about Bush and Saudi Arabia at the school assembly. That *might*
> connect somehow, somewhere with the hashslingrz/Middle East hints on pp.
> 47-48 – in fact we know it will --  but at this moment, is it enough to
> justify “the key to interpretation (of what hashslingrz is up to) has been
> extended by this”..?
>
>
>
> For what it’s worth, this sentence was a last-minute substitution. In the
> ARC, the passage read:
>
>
>
> “’Hey, so you saw March. Well. In fact, well well.’ She recognizes the name,
> all right, March Kelleher is Gabriel Ice’s mother-in-law, for one thing, her
> daughter Tallis and Ice having been…”
>
>
>
> From: David Morris [mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 1:14 PM
> To: jochen stremmel
> Cc: Monte Davis; Thomas Eckhardt; pynchon -l
> Subject: Re: BEER Ch. 6, 53-57: knotting into March Kelleher
>
>
>
> Legend in this sense means a key to interpretation.
>
>
>
> Like Rosetta Stone,
>
> On Monday, October 28, 2013, jochen stremmel wrote:
>
> I think you are right, Monte. Pynchon's use of "legend" here is in the
> sense saga, lore, myth, not like Le Carré's usage, which might not be
> MI6 argot but a Germanism, "Legende" in the sense of cover story for a
> spy. I didn't look it up again in his books.
>
> And Thomas is right, of course, with the "Schlageter" quote.
> Interestingly, the Wikipedia entry offers two translation of the
> original German: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanns_Johst.And tells
> that March is not alone with her
 misattribution to Goering.
>
>
>
> 2013/10/28 Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net>:
>> TE> Having just read some of Le Carré's novels, I find this reading of
>> 'legend' quite convincing. This would suggest that hashslingerz is a CIA
>> front, no?
>>
>> It's a tenuous association: I take Le Carre's usage to be MI6 argot, but
>> (1)
>> don't remember seeing "legend" used that way in espionage fiction by
>> others;
>> (2) don't know that TRP has read JLC, his peer in paranoia and
>> hustle/counter-hustle; and (3) don't often see Maxine as thinking spy-wise
>> rather than PI-wise. (Of course, one could debate whether that sentence
>> speaks for Maxine or the narrator over her shoulder.)
>>
>> In any event, there are plenty of more compelling links between Gabriel
>> Ice
>> and the Permanent Government. This one's quite possibly my illusion of
>> connectedness, but I'm happy to share...
>>
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