BEER Ch. 6, 53-57: knotting into March Kelleher

[Michael Bailey]

All these are interesting!

So wait, hashslingrz is Gabriel Ice's company, buying the others in a
google like manner...

Hwargh besides sounding like
>
> overwhelmingly (almost) to me that this line was added after the ARC.....
>
> To me, another resonance as stated is that it adds to seeing the story now
> but as already long past.
>
> I too. despite remembering the Le Carre praise of TRP side with Monte's
> first meanings, seconded by Jochen, most.
>
> I also think one of the best insights of this read is Jochen's
> "Unstructured", my ass".....Leavis-like in more ways than one.
>
>
>   On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:56 PM, Fiona Shnapple <
> fionashnapple at gmail.com> wrote:
>  The written explanatory matter accompanying an illustration, map, etc.
>
> Working chronologically thru the OED, this one shows up in late
> capitalism, in the 20th century. And, as P is fond of maps and
> mapping, I'm gonna go with it. That's only if I have to play this game
> of Scrabble?
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> > I’m leaning to yours, David, but not 100% sold on any suggestion so far.
> > Consider context: Ziggy has just handed Maxine a flyer for March
> Kelleher’s
> > website,  autographed by March at the school assembly.
> >
> >
> >
> > “’Hey, so you saw March. Well. In fact, well well.’ The hashslingrz
> legend
> > continues, here. March Kelleher happens to be Gabriel Ice’s
> mother-in-law…”
> >
> >
> >
> > 1.      Legend = cover story (maybe via Le Carre): March’s relationship
> to
> > Ice is a fact, not  part of a false identity or a deceptive background
> for
> > Ice or his company.
> >
> > 2.      Legend = saga, lore, myth: I’m not sure how it makes Ice or
> > hashslingrz more “legendary,” or affects their reputation at all,  to
> know
> > that his mother-in-law spoke at Kugelblitz
> >
> > 3.      Legend = key to interpretation: Maxine has not seen March for
> 10-15
> > years, and right now the only current information she has is that Marsh
> > talked about Bush and Saudi Arabia at the school assembly. That *might*
> > connect somehow, somewhere with the hashslingrz/Middle East hints on pp.
> > 47-48 – in fact we know it will --  but at this moment, is it enough to
> > justify “the key to interpretation (of what hashslingrz is up to) has
> been
> > extended by this”..?
> >
> >
> >
> > For what it’s worth, this sentence was a last-minute substitution. In the
> > ARC, the passage read:
> >
> >
> >
> > “’Hey, so you saw March. Well. In fact, well well.’ She recognizes the
> name,
> > all right, March Kelleher is Gabriel Ice’s mother-in-law, for one thing,
> her
> > daughter Tallis and Ice having been…”
> >
> >
> >
> > From: David Morris [mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 1:14 PM
> > To: jochen stremmel
> > Cc: Monte Davis; Thomas Eckhardt; pynchon -l
> > Subject: Re: BEER Ch. 6, 53-57: knotting into March Kelleher
> >
> >
> >
> > Legend in this sense means a key to interpretation.
> >
> >
> >
> > Like Rosetta Stone,
> >
> > On Monday, October 28, 2013, jochen stremmel wrote:
> >
> > I think you are right, Monte. Pynchon's use of "legend" here is in the
> > sense saga, lore, myth, not like Le Carré's usage, which might not be
> > MI6 argot but a Germanism, "Legende" in the sense of cover story for a
> > spy. I didn't look it up again in his books.
> >
> > And Thomas is right, of course, with the "Schlageter" quote.
> > Interestingly, the Wikipedia entry offers two translation of the
> > original German: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanns_Johst.And tells
> > that March is not alone with her misattribution to Goering.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/10/28 Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net>:
> >> TE> Having just read some of Le Carré's novels, I find this reading of
> >> 'legend' quite convincing. This would suggest that hashslingerz is a CIA
> >> front, no?
> >>
> >> It's a tenuous association: I take Le Carre's usage to be MI6 argot, but
> >> (1)
> >> don't remember seeing "legend" used that way in espionage fiction by
> >> others;
> >> (2) don't know that TRP has read JLC, his peer in paranoia and
> >> hustle/counter-hustle; and (3) don't often see Maxine as thinking
> spy-wise
> >> rather than PI-wise. (Of course, one could debate whether that sentence
> >> speaks for Maxine or the narrator over her shoulder.)
> >>
> >> In any event, there are plenty of more compelling links between Gabriel
> >> Ice
> >> and the Permanent Government. This one's quite possibly my illusion of
> >> connectedness, but I'm happy to share...
> >>
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