BEER Ch. 6, 53-57: knotting into March Kelleher

[Fiona Shnapple]

Can you imagine anyone who lives, or  to make it easier, anyone who
has lived where P has lived for the last few decades...,writing about
a neighborhood that is not better, safer....etc? Um.....yeah. it's a
lot better now....

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Michael Bailey
<michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
> All these are interesting!
>
> So wait, hashslingrz is Gabriel Ice's company, buying the others in a google
> like manner...
>
> Hwargh besides sounding like
>>
>> overwhelmingly (almost) to me that this line was added after the ARC.....
>>
>> To me, another resonance as stated is that it adds to seeing the story now
>> but as already long past.
>>
>> I too. despite remembering the Le Carre praise of TRP side with Monte's
>> first meanings, seconded by Jochen, most.
>>
>> I also think one of the best insights of this read is Jochen's
>> "Unstructured", my ass".....Leavis-like in more ways than one.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:56 PM, Fiona Shnapple
>> <fionashnapple at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The written explanatory matter accompanying an illustration, map, etc.
>>
>> Working chronologically thru the OED, this one shows up in late
>> capitalism, in the 20th century. And, as P is fond of maps and
>> mapping, I'm gonna go with it. That's only if I have to play this game
>> of Scrabble?
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>> > I’m leaning to yours, David, but not 100% sold on any suggestion so far.
>> > Consider context: Ziggy has just handed Maxine a flyer for March
>> > Kelleher’s
>> > website,  autographed by March at the school assembly.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > “’Hey, so you saw March. Well. In fact, well well.’ The hashslingrz
>> > legend
>> > continues, here. March Kelleher happens to be Gabriel Ice’s
>> > mother-in-law…”
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 1.      Legend = cover story (maybe via Le Carre): March’s relationship
>> > to
>> > Ice is a fact, not  part of a false identity or a deceptive background
>> > for
>> > Ice or his company.
>> >
>> > 2.      Legend = saga, lore, myth: I’m not sure how it makes Ice or
>> > hashslingrz more “legendary,” or affects their reputation at all,  to
>> > know
>> > that his mother-in-law spoke at Kugelblitz
>> >
>> > 3.      Legend = key to interpretation: Maxine has not seen March for
>> > 10-15
>> > years, and right now the only current information she has is that Marsh
>> > talked about Bush and Saudi Arabia at the school assembly. That *might*
>> > connect somehow, somewhere with the hashslingrz/Middle East hints on pp.
>> > 47-48 – in fact we know it will --  but at this moment, is it enough to
>> > justify “the key to interpretation (of what hashslingrz is up to) has
>> > been
>> > extended by this”..?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For what it’s worth, this sentence was a last-minute substitution. In
>> > the
>> > ARC, the passage read:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > “’Hey, so you saw March. Well. In fact, well well.’ She recognizes the
>> > name,
>> > all right, March Kelleher is Gabriel Ice’s mother-in-law, for one thing,
>> > her
>> > daughter Tallis and Ice having been…”
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: David Morris [mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 1:14 PM
>> > To: jochen stremmel
>> > Cc: Monte Davis; Thomas Eckhardt; pynchon -l
>> > Subject: Re: BEER Ch. 6, 53-57: knotting into March Kelleher
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Legend in this sense means a key to interpretation.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Like Rosetta Stone,
>> >
>> > On Monday, October 28, 2013, jochen stremmel wrote:
>> >
>> > I think you are right, Monte. Pynchon's use of "legend" here is in the
>> > sense saga, lore, myth, not like Le Carré's usage, which might not be
>> > MI6 argot but a Germanism, "Legende" in the sense of cover story for a
>> > spy. I didn't look it up again in his books.
>> >
>> > And Thomas is right, of course, with the "Schlageter" quote.
>> > Interestingly, the Wikipedia entry offers two translation of the
>> > original German: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanns_Johst.And tells
>> > that March is not alone with her misattribution to Goering.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/10/28 Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net>:
>> >> TE> Having just read some of Le Carré's novels, I find this reading of
>> >> 'legend' quite convincing. This would suggest that hashslingerz is a
>> >> CIA
>> >> front, no?
>> >>
>> >> It's a tenuous association: I take Le Carre's usage to be MI6 argot,
>> >> but
>> >> (1)
>> >> don't remember seeing "legend" used that way in espionage fiction by
>> >> others;
>> >> (2) don't know that TRP has read JLC, his peer in paranoia and
>> >> hustle/counter-hustle; and (3) don't often see Maxine as thinking
>> >> spy-wise
>> >> rather than PI-wise. (Of course, one could debate whether that sentence
>> >> speaks for Maxine or the narrator over her shoulder.)
>> >>
>> >> In any event, there are plenty of more compelling links between Gabriel
>> >> Ice
>> >> and the Permanent Government. This one's quite possibly my illusion of
>> >> connectedness, but I'm happy to share...
>> >>
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