Ukraine Rebel Leader: Malaysian Plane was Full of Already Dead Bodies

[alice malice]

“In the long run, I am still very optimistic about Russia and
Russians,” he went on. “In my two years as Ambassador, I just met too
many young, smart, talented people who want to be connected to the
world, not isolated from it. They also want a say in the government.
They are scared now, and therefore not demonstrating, but they have
not changed their preferences about the future they want. Instead,
they are just hiding these preferences, but there will be a day when
they will express them again. Putin’s regime cannot hold these people
down forever. I do worry about the new nationalism that Putin has
unleashed, and understand that many young Russians also embrace these
extremist ideas. I see it on Twitter every day. But, in the long run,
I see the Westernizers winning out. I just don’t know how long is the
long run.” ♦

On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:57 PM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/11/watching-eclipse
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:07 PM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.salon.com/2014/07/26/strange_bedfellows_putin_the_chomskyite_left_and_the_ghosts_of_the_cold_war/
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:43 PM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What do we know for sure? That if the plane was shot down the weapon
>>> used was probably a Russian made sophisticated system that is used by
>>> Russia and Ukraine. So, if the weapon is identified,  it's unlikely
>>> that the US or any member of NATO can be held directly responsible.
>>> It's also unlikely that investigations will uncover the trigger man,
>>> the smoking gun, the group or nation responsible for firing the
>>> weapon.   The blame American and the West crowd will need to base
>>> their blame on Geo-political and financial pressure & so on. And the
>>> Pro-Western crowd will continue to blame Putinism. All sides will
>>> amass the facts and evidence and all will amount to nothing. In the
>>> end, the fate of Ukraine is in the hands of the West. Putin is toast.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Thomas Eckhardt
>>> <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>>>> For those who are, despite the deafening silence everywhere, still
>>>> interested in the question why about 300 innocent people may have died :
>>>>
>>>> http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/03/flight-17-shoot-down-scenario-shifts/
>>>>
>>>> Of course, I am not ruling out that this developing story based on one
>>>> source is disinformation. Still, I find Parry's take far more believable,
>>>> given the circumstantial evidence that I am aware of, and Parry's good
>>>> reputation, than the official version, i. e. that, of course, the Russians
>>>> are to blame and must be punished.
>>>>
>>>> And no, I am not denying that not all is well in Russia.
>>>>
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>>
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