Ukraine Rebel Leader: Malaysian Plane was Full of Already Dead Bodies

[alice malice]

http://www.lse.ac.uk/ideas/publications/reports/pdf/su13-2-putinism.pdf

On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:58 PM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
> “In the long run, I am still very optimistic about Russia and
> Russians,” he went on. “In my two years as Ambassador, I just met too
> many young, smart, talented people who want to be connected to the
> world, not isolated from it. They also want a say in the government.
> They are scared now, and therefore not demonstrating, but they have
> not changed their preferences about the future they want. Instead,
> they are just hiding these preferences, but there will be a day when
> they will express them again. Putin’s regime cannot hold these people
> down forever. I do worry about the new nationalism that Putin has
> unleashed, and understand that many young Russians also embrace these
> extremist ideas. I see it on Twitter every day. But, in the long run,
> I see the Westernizers winning out. I just don’t know how long is the
> long run.” ♦
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:57 PM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/11/watching-eclipse
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:07 PM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.salon.com/2014/07/26/strange_bedfellows_putin_the_chomskyite_left_and_the_ghosts_of_the_cold_war/
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:43 PM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> What do we know for sure? That if the plane was shot down the weapon
>>>> used was probably a Russian made sophisticated system that is used by
>>>> Russia and Ukraine. So, if the weapon is identified,  it's unlikely
>>>> that the US or any member of NATO can be held directly responsible.
>>>> It's also unlikely that investigations will uncover the trigger man,
>>>> the smoking gun, the group or nation responsible for firing the
>>>> weapon.   The blame American and the West crowd will need to base
>>>> their blame on Geo-political and financial pressure & so on. And the
>>>> Pro-Western crowd will continue to blame Putinism. All sides will
>>>> amass the facts and evidence and all will amount to nothing. In the
>>>> end, the fate of Ukraine is in the hands of the West. Putin is toast.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Thomas Eckhardt
>>>> <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>>>>> For those who are, despite the deafening silence everywhere, still
>>>>> interested in the question why about 300 innocent people may have died :
>>>>>
>>>>> http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/03/flight-17-shoot-down-scenario-shifts/
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, I am not ruling out that this developing story based on one
>>>>> source is disinformation. Still, I find Parry's take far more believable,
>>>>> given the circumstantial evidence that I am aware of, and Parry's good
>>>>> reputation, than the official version, i. e. that, of course, the Russians
>>>>> are to blame and must be punished.
>>>>>
>>>>> And no, I am not denying that not all is well in Russia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>
>>>>>
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