Sleepwalkers and the Germans.

Wed Aug 6 07:59:26 CDT 2014

This was fine.

On Wednesday, August 6, 2014, Kai Frederik Lorentzen <lorentzen at hotmail.de>
wrote:

>
> Myself I didn't get it from the list in the form you reproduced here yet
> in its uncorrupted form without repetitions (see below). Hopefully this is
> not virus activity. An explanation could be that it wasn't possible for me
> to copy the quote from the article. I tried this a number of times, though,
> before I typed it down myself. Maybe those unsuccessful efforts eventually
> found their way into the mail which would explain the repetitions. So
> perhaps it's the link. Sorry for the trouble and please let me know if this
> mail here arrives with or without repetitions!
>
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> > In 2010, his history of Prussia,* Iron Kingdo**m*, attracted
> considerable praise and saw him awarded the prestigious prize of the
> Historisches Kolleg, an important centre for advanced study in history. <
>
> A brilliant study. I can recommend it to P-listers who need to know more
> about Prussia than Thomas Pynchon can provide. But caution! You'll
> unavoidably lose a commonplace or two ...
>
> From the NYT review:
>
> But “Iron Kingdom,” Christopher Clark’s stately, authoritative history of
> Prussia from its humble beginnings to its ignominious end, presents a much
> more complicated and compelling picture of the German state, which is too
> often reduced to a caricature of spiked helmets and polished boots. Prussia
> and its army were inseparable, but Prussia was also renowned for its
> efficient, incorruptible civil service; its innovative system of social
> services; its religious tolerance; and its unrivaled education system, a
> model for the rest of Germany and the world. This too was Prussia — a
> tormented kingdom that, like a tragic hero, was brought down by the very
> qualities that raised it up. (...) The myth of Prussian militarism,
> likewise, receives careful scrutiny. A large, disciplined army transformed
> the Mark Brandenburg, with its poor soil, scant natural resources and lack
> of access to the sea, into a regional power. But the militarization of
> society did not really begin until the late 19th century, and even then Mr.
> Clark questions whether the Prussian experience set it apart from the rest
> of Europe. France and Britain were equally committed to empire-building and
> military might. “The ‘civility’ and anti-militarism of British society were
> perhaps more a matter of self-perception than a faithful representation of
> reality,” he writes. “It is also worth noting that the German peace
> movement developed on a scale unparalleled elsewhere.”
> was
> was
>  Cambridge-based Australian historian Christopher Clark was not unknown
> in Germany when he published his latest book, The Sleepwalkers. In 2010,
> his history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable praise and saw
> him awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches Kolleg, an important
> centre for advanced study in history. His biography of Wilhelm II, which
> followed shortly after, was also generously received. The success of Th -
> See more at:
> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
> Cambridge-based Australian historian Christopher Clark was not unknown in
> Germany when he published his latest book, The Sleepwalkers. In 2010, his
> history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable praise and saw him
> awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches Kolleg, an important
> centre for advanced study in history. His biography of Wilhelm II, which
> followed shortly after, was also generously received. The success of Th -
> See more at:
> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
> Cambridge-based Australian historian Christopher Clark was not unknown in
> Germany when he published his latest book, The Sleepwalkers. In 2010, his
> history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable praise and saw him
> awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches Kolleg, an important
> centre for advanced study in history. His biography of Wilhelm II, which
> followed shortly after, was also generously received. The success of Th -
> See more at:
> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
>   In 2010, his history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable
> praise and saw him awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches
> Kolleg, an important centre for advanced study in history. - See more at:
> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
>
>
> Yours truly,
>
> The Prussian Pussy Eater
>
>
> On 05.08.2014 14:17, alice malice wrote:
>
> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/
> -
> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>
>
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>
> On 06.08.2014 14:26, David Morris wrote:
>
> What's up with the extended repetitions in this post.  It looks like virus
> activity.
>
> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014, Kai Frederik Lorentzen <lorentzen at hotmail.de
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lorentzen at hotmail.de');>> wrote:
>
>>   In 2010, his history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable
>> praise and saw him awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches
>> Kolleg, an important centre for advanced study in history. - See more at:
>> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
>>
>>  In 2010, his history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable
>> praise and saw him awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches
>> Kolleg, an important centre for advanced study in history. - See more at:
>> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
>> In 2010, his history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable
>> praise and saw him awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches
>> Kolleg, an important centre for advanced study in history. - See more at:
>> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
>> In 2010, his history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable
>> praise and saw him awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches
>> Kolleg, an important centre for advanced study in history. - See more at:
>> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
>>   In 2010, his history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable
>> praise and saw him awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches
>> Kolleg, an important centre for advanced study in history. - See more at:
>> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
>> In 2010, his history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable
>> praise and saw him awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches
>> Kolleg, an important centre for advanced study in history. - See more at:
>> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
>> In 2010, his history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable
>> praise and saw him awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches
>> Kolleg, an important centre for advanced study in history. - See more at:
>> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
>> In 2010, his history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable
>> praise and saw him awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches
>> Kolleg, an important centre for advanced study in history. - See more at:
>> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
>>
>>  In 2010, his history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable
>> praise and saw him awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches
>> Kolleg, an important centre for advanced study in history. - See more at:
>> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
>> > In 2010, his history of Prussia,* Iron Kingdo**m*, attracted
>> considerable praise and saw him awarded the prestigious prize of the
>> Historisches Kolleg, an important centre for advanced study in history. <
>>
>> A brilliant study. I can recommend it to P-listers who need to know more
>> about Prussia than Thomas Pynchon can provide. But caution! You'll
>> unavoidably lose a commonplace or two ...
>>
>> From the NYT review:
>>
>> But “Iron Kingdom,” Christopher Clark’s stately, authoritative history of
>> Prussia from its humble beginnings to its ignominious end, presents a much
>> more complicated and compelling picture of the German state, which is too
>> often reduced to a caricature of spiked helmets and polished boots. Prussia
>> and its army were inseparable, but Prussia was also renowned for its
>> efficient, incorruptible civil service; its innovative system of social
>> services; its religious tolerance; and its unrivaled education system, a
>> model for the rest of Germany and the world. This too was Prussia — a
>> tormented kingdom that, like a tragic hero, was brought down by the very
>> qualities that raised it up. (...) The myth of Prussian militarism,
>> likewise, receives careful scrutiny. A large, disciplined army transformed
>> the Mark Brandenburg, with its poor soil, scant natural resources and lack
>> of access to the sea, into a regional power. But the militarization of
>> society did not really begin until the late 19th century, and even then Mr.
>> Clark questions whether the Prussian experience set it apart from the rest
>> of Europe. France and Britain were equally committed to empire-building and
>> military might. “The ‘civility’ and anti-militarism of British society were
>> perhaps more a matter of self-perception than a faithful representation of
>> reality,” he writes. “It is also worth noting that the German peace
>> movement developed on a scale unparalleled elsewhere.”
>> was
>> was
>>  Cambridge-based Australian historian Christopher Clark was not unknown
>> in Germany when he published his latest book, The Sleepwalkers. In 2010,
>> his history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable praise and saw
>> him awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches Kolleg, an important
>> centre for advanced study in history. His biography of Wilhelm II, which
>> followed shortly after, was also generously received. The success of Th -
>> See more at:
>> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
>> Cambridge-based Australian historian Christopher Clark was not unknown in
>> Germany when he published his latest book, The Sleepwalkers. In 2010, his
>> history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable praise and saw him
>> awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches Kolleg, an important
>> centre for advanced study in history. His biography of Wilhelm II, which
>> followed shortly after, was also generously received. The success of Th -
>> See more at:
>> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
>> Cambridge-based Australian historian Christopher Clark was not unknown in
>> Germany when he published his latest book, The Sleepwalkers. In 2010, his
>> history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable praise and saw him
>> awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches Kolleg, an important
>> centre for advanced study in history. His biography of Wilhelm II, which
>> followed shortly after, was also generously received. The success of Th -
>> See more at:
>> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
>>   In 2010, his history of Prussia, Iron Kingdom, attracted considerable
>> praise and saw him awarded the prestigious prize of the Historisches
>> Kolleg, an important centre for advanced study in history. - See more at:
>> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/#sthash.Xs7cFj10.dpuf
>>
>>
>> Yours truly,
>>
>> The Prussian Pussy Eater
>>
>>
>> On 05.08.2014 14:17, alice malice wrote:
>>
>> http://inside.org.au/christopher-clarks-sleepwalkers-and-the-germans-a-misunderstanding/
>> -
>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>
>>
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