True Detective plagiarized?

[Mark Thibodeau]

By the way, I am very much aware of the irony of my proposing to
propagate an ill-gotten copy of Ligotti's work in a thread dedicated
to the theft of his ideas.

I am also, however, also aware that most of the philosophy that
Ligotti attempts to pass off as his own (albeit with some footnotes)
would be pretty familiar to anyone with even a glancing knowledge of
Continental philosophy as it has developed over the past century and a
half (the ideas that we are at once outside nature yet bound by it,
and that 'everybody is nobody', for instance) most especially via
Bataille, Sartre and Lacan. So that kind of mitigates it for me.

Jerky

On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com> wrote:
> If anybody here wants an e-Reader version of Ligotti's "philosophical"
> treatise (the one allegedly pilfered for TD), drop me a line and I'll
> zip it over to you.
>
> J
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Charles Albert <cfalbert at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The debate about whether or not it qualifies as plagiarism is reasonable.
>> With respect to the other question, Pynchon without his sources would still
>> be prose of the very highest order, stripped of Ligotti, True Detective
>> would be Law & Order SVU with a drawl....
>>
>>
>> love,
>> cfa
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:31 PM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with the rebuttal - the 'plagiarism' charge fundamentally
>>> misunderstands the term. Otherwise Pynchon would be morally bound to
>>> publish his own a Companion Guide to each of his novels and the works
>>> they draw upon, and how awful would that be...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Matthew Taylor
>>> <matthew.taylor923 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > And a (debatably successful?) rebuttal:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/08/06/true_detective_plagiarized_no_nic_pizzolatto_did_not_plagiarize_thomas_ligotti.html
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 7:33 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> http://lovecraftzine.com/2014/08/04/did-the-writer-of-true-detective-plagiarize-thomas-ligotti-and-others/
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyone here read Ligotti? This is the first I've ever heard of him, so
>>> >> it's hard for me to judge how "Ligottian" True Detecive is. I find the
>>> >> charges very believable, given how none of Cohle's dark worldview, or
>>> >> even
>>> >> the many references to the Yellow King ultimately had a shred of
>>> >> relevance
>>> >> to the final episode.
>>> >>
>>> >> Laura
>>> >> -
>>> >> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>> >
>>> >
>>> -
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>>
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