Anderson, Master, IV,

[David Morris]

Brains can be seriously fucked, and that happens most when an overwhelming
force is used to break down a belief, not to instill one.  Deprogramming is
the real enemy.

David Morris

On Wednesday, December 3, 2014, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> According to the article suggested by T Eckhart The original physician on
> the scene at the Jonestown massacre Chief Guyanese physician  Dr. MooToo,
> trained in Vienna and London claimed that at least 700 of the victims were
> murdered- injected in the back of their shoulder with poison. The first
> report of mass suicide came from the CIA and the story of mass suicide was
> shaped by a psychiatrist named Sukhdeo.
>
> " It is true, of course, that not every psychiatrist agreed with Dr.
> Sukhdeo's analysis.  Dr. Stephen P. Hersh,  then assistant director of the
> National Institutes of Mental Health (NIMH), commented that "The charges of
> brainwashing are clearly exaggerated.  The concept of  'thought control' by
> cult leaders is elusive, difficult to define and even more difficult to
> prove.  Because cult converts adopt beliefs that seem bizarre to their
> families and friends, it does not follow that their choices are being
> dictated by cult leaders." [37]
>
> On Dec 2, 2014, at 10:15 PM, David Morris wrote:
>
> > I object to the segment in The Master when Freddie is being brainwashed.
> It doesn't ring true.  Brainwashing is mostly a myth used as a cudgel to
> legitimized anti-brainwashing, which DOES exist. True converts are not
> coerced.
>
> All this to say that while I deeply agree with your skepticism about the
> concept of brainwashing, brains can be seriously fucked with as this nation
> should know since by the time of shock and awe a poll showed 70% of
> Americans believed Saddam to be part of the  9/11plot.
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Monday, December 1, 2014, Thomas Eckhardt <
> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > Am 01.12.2014 18:00, schrieb Joseph Tracy:
> >
> > Just to push the
> > conversation a bit- is it such a stretch to consider CIA/Political
> > actions and media messages in Vietnam, Cambodia, Chile, Argentina,
> > El Salvador...  as a kind of cultic message of liberation, in this
> > case through mass violence.
> >
> > Hmmm, reminds me of the strange coincidence that Jim Jones, of Peoples
> Temple and Kool-Aid fame, and Dan Mitrione, a man who used to torture
> beggars to death for training purposes, were childhood friends.
> >
> > http://jimhougan.com/JimJones2.html
> >
> > Thomas
> >
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