Watching the news w Pynchon yet, able to breathe, luckily.

Mon Dec 8 22:45:26 CST 2014

>From that sentence "the semantics" is the game you "say and play."
Grammatically.

On Monday, December 8, 2014, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Good Music. What is the game I play?
> On Dec 8, 2014, at 4:40 PM, alice malice wrote:
>
> > outside the semantics, the game you say and play, it's the same fucking
> thing.
> >
> > We Insist! Max Roach's Freedom Now Suite
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsvFzXr-o-8>
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> What you are saying sounds more like semantics  than  insight.  Race
> really is not a form or class or capital. Race is an attempt to impose
> social meaning on minor biological differences within the human
> species/family, a concept usually used to facilitate colonialism, self
> exaltation, abuse and exploitation. It is a subset of xenophopia. It is
> connected to nationalism in the Bible, and in European history where
> theories of race reached a zenith when the French Italians, British,
> Germans etc. became races.
> >>
> >>  All wars have eroded the pursuit of equality before the law, and this
> influx of war vets to the police force is certainly an important part of
> current police militarization and abuse, but the phenomena of race based
> abuse of police power is deeply embedded in US history and there is no time
> when it could not be statistically and anecdotally demonstrated.  It is
> certainly a political problem for people of color because there is no party
> with a strong record of honest dealing.
> >>
> >> While many symbolic inroads have been made toward racial justice, the
> declaration of a post racial America was laughably premature, the wishful
> thinking of a society unwilling to invest in anything but wars and
> financial markets and symbols of its own greatness. You seem to be
> endorsing that mindset by calling race a class of capital.  The problem
> with this is that the class of capital known as money and the class of
> capital known as military power are the ones calling the shots that affect
> everyone who has less of those classes of capital.
> >>
> >> Anyway, Capitalism is a real creepy belief system which quickly
> identified the market potential of racism. Capitalism is an extension of
> imperialism; both are antidemocratic and will always target those who
> interfere with their power. Racism is deeply embedded in both systems, and
> calling racially  acceptable targets terrorists  has been around since the
> Roman empire.  Labeling any males which your drones turn into hamburger
> muslim terrorists is not a formula for hope and change when the police
> appear to operate in the same manner.
> >>
> >> Don't worry though. Hillary is coming. I hear she will be running on a
> platform of tough love, experienced leadership, frack the fucking peasants
> and ragheads and America forever. Cops everywhere will tremble before her.
> Glaciers will gather and freeze at her coming. Drill baby  Bill, the white
> negro, will be somewhere nearby, perhaps a nicely located Manhattan
> doghouse, radiant in the heavenly glow of her mercy, wagging his  cute
> tail-like membership card in the glorious inner circle of the holy chosen.
> So relax, reform is on the way.
> >>   Fortunately even if the evil Republicans win we will still have
> plenty of bloodshed and high finance all around. Be sure to vote.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:36 AM, alice malice wrote:
> >>
> >>> But the problem, as Pynchon did not understand when he wrote his Watts
> >>> essay or his short story, "The Secret Integration", or as he sent
> >>> Benny up to Spanish Harlem, had Sphere hang with the Radical Chic
> >>> Fountainheads and Village Hipsters from Suburban Levit Towns, or even
> >>> in his tracings of the New Left fringes in Vineland, though he hints
> >>> at it in his SL Introduction, finally coming to see that race is not a
> >>> problem to be solved, not a political issue or a card to played, but a
> >>> class of capital. AGTD, at last, is Pynchon's only work that plums the
> >>> question honestly and without ignorance or fear.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 9:17 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>> I agree that the door to police work is open from the wars, and the
> >>>> current wars, the longest wars, have opened revolving doors, that is,
> >>>> soldiers who join police and then return to war and then return to
> >>>> police and corrections. So, the abuse of prisoners in the theaters of
> >>>> war, and in the abuse of citizens in the prisons here and the same
> >>>> with the neighborhoods. Moreover, those that have been to war,
> >>>> especially those that have been in the most dangerous areas and jobs,
> >>>> are revered by the others and have a sway over the group psychology
> >>>> and the culture of the police, so enforcement is emphasized.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Becky Lindroos <bekker2 at icloud.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>> This has been true since the vets of Vietnam - I don’t know about
> Korea or prior.  And they bring with them a whole lot of baggage from the
> mindset they went in with to the PTSD they got while on active duty.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://discoverpolicing.org/find_your_career/?fa=military_veterans
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bek
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:56 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You may be right, Mark. I would only add that in NYC a close
> >>>>>> examination of the legacy of
> >>>>>> Bernard Kerik is worth looking into. The wars, Obama's wars now, are
> >>>>>> revolving doors for soldiers who work in NYC corrections, and on the
> >>>>>> police department. While the so-called progressive mayor
> disappointed
> >>>>>> most of his supporters with his appointment of Bratton, the recent
> >>>>>> resignations, "retirements" of Black and Latino leadership is even
> >>>>>> more frightening...the recruiting of whites from the suburbs, and
> the
> >>>>>> placement of rookies in the toughest assignments (for example in the
> >>>>>> Pink) is an other problem, a union, seniority problem that has an
> >>>>>> apartheid impact on housing, education, courts...etc...so, a complex
> >>>>>> web or entrenched power, but the wars, the fucking wars, and the way
> >>>>>> the wars are brought home to poor neighborhoods is the major problem
> >>>>>> here in NYC.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> David, though awkwardly, is on to something when he speaks of the
> >>>>>> body. Matthew Pratt Guterl, in the The Guardian, takes on this issue
> >>>>>> recently:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This fear and fascination with the superhuman black male body is a
> >>>>>> longstanding sightline – a “racial script”, as the historian Natalia
> >>>>>> Molina calls it – in which a confused, delusional vision of the
> >>>>>> dangerous black male body is repeatedly invoked as a reason for some
> >>>>>> terrible, violent response. This is the story of Emmett Till and
> Eric
> >>>>>> Garner, and a thousand stories in between. It is a reminder that the
> >>>>>> story of King Kong is a metaphor for racial fear. It also points, as
> >>>>>> Khalil Gibran Muhammad reminds us, to the myth of the coked-up
> >>>>>> criminal, immunized from pain and impossible to bring down. We
> should
> >>>>>> be recognizing that each and every one of these dehumanizing fears
> is
> >>>>>> dangerously – and tragically false – but time and time again, we
> >>>>>> refuse to admit it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> we have read Pynchon's essay on the mind of Watts.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I Repeat that Radney Balko's The Militarization of the Police
> >>>>>>> traced the start of SWAT teams to the LAPD as an organizational
> response
> >>>>>>> To those riots.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> for 40+ years, and esp since 9/11, the police departments all over
> the United States
> >>>>>>> Have militarized themselves, prepared for " riots" instead of "
> freedom of assembly",  have allowed o'er the top Jacobean-like revengeful
> anger to build
> >>>>>>> And build until: The Bigfoot cops can choke, gang-up on, beat and
> shoot at will.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> TRP did know exactly when the cops turned. Inherent Vice.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad-
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