Ukraine

[alice malice]

Stephen Cohen was once considered a top Russia historian. Now he
publishes odd defenses of Vladimir Putin. The Nation just published
his most outrageous one yet.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/07/stephen_cohen_vladimir_putin_s_apologist_the_nation_just_published_the_most.html



On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 4:23 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
> The conspiracy buffs want to connect the plane deaths, and a coverup to the US.
> Preliminary findings of the investigation indicate only that the plane
> broke apart due to damage that came from outside, but what caused the
> damage is not known, though the propaganda, the blame game, and the
> conspiracy theories on all sides continues to cloud the larger issues
> in and around Putin's shrinking chessboard.
>
> Conspiracy theorists want to argue that the US is responsible for the
> coup and the deaths in Ukraine.
>
> Here they have more evidence but their wild exaggerations of the US
> part and of its support of Neo-Nazis and their ilk undermines the
> fairly obvious fact that the US is behind the plan to push NATO into
> Ukraine and expand its influence to Russia's border.
>
> And, they want to convince us that the plan to expand NATO and the EU
> is the beginning of a New Cold War.
>
> There is no new cold war. This is both a dangerous hyperbole and a
> poor assessment of the facts. First off, there is no Soviet Union.The
> old Pacts are gone and the new ones are fracturing as Russia proves
> that she is still an economic disaster whose grip on pipelines and
> other energy weapons is easily loosed by the US and its economic
> partners.
>
> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 2:30 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I say this extreme statement only because I so respect those arguing still.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 28, 2014, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think my hymen has been broken in this conversation, and I thought I'd
>>> lost that LONG ago.  I fear for humanity's reasoning capacity in opposition
>>> to personal lusts. Lusts rule!
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 28, 2014, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Blather on. Truth be damned!
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