Horst-Maxine-Windust

[alice malice]

Ok, go for it. A passage, a page. Anything at all, from the book.

On Sunday, February 23, 2014, <bandwraith at aol.com> wrote:

> I'll leave what Horst 'should' do to you and stick with what he does,
> in the book, which is not much. He's loathsome.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org <javascript:;>>
> Sent: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:28 pm
> Subject: Re: Horst-Maxine-Windust
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> Who ain't to blame? Right? We all just a bunch of dollar diggers
> dumping all our shit on the rest of the world.  Horst should quit his
> job, repent, go live in a monastery or a commune. But that ain't in the
> book.
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> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:05 PM, <bandwraith at aol.com> wrote:
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> Horst is no more guilty than Windust. They both share in the blame for
> 11 Sept.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
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> Sent: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:24 pm
> Subject: Re: Horst-Maxine-Windust
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> If anyone in this novel resembles Vibe, it is Ice, not Horst. Horst
> cheats on his wife. Infidelity is not a crime in NYC. She's no Mother
> Maxina. The family is, fairly typical of the UWS,  it functions in a
> dysfunctional world. That Horst, according to Maxine, once put his
> hands around her throat and choked her, and that he still loses it over
> trivial shit like the missing Chunky Monkey ice cream, is all I can
> find in the novel to make him less than Pynchon's most sympathetic
> characters. Dixon, for example, is far from perfect. His abuse of the
> females is not excused by his whipping of the slave driver. Slothrop's,
> Zoyd, the list goes on. Horst is a good father, a decent guy. And,
> again, his skill, luck, independence, and great fortune, are matched
> against he neo liberals, neo techs, the brave new world that has taken
> his trade, his job. So, again, he is more like the author than Max, who
> is, subjected to the harshest satire. She bends and takes Windust
> through her torn hoes. Like Frenesi on her knees. Horst is on a
> different vibe.
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Alice, with all due respect,  I can withdraw my two lines supposedly
> summing up my view of Wall Street and the argument ( within the
> fiction) still stands.....my 'associative', descriptive leap " to the
> 1%"---simple fact re Horst; drop the Occupy resonances if you want,
> ....and the niceness of Wall Streeters is just a tail. " Niceness was
> to pickup on Morris's good-heartedness and simply to
> Say many of the very rich can be very " nice"....
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> I brought out some textual NotNicenesses earlier.
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Feb 23, 2014, at 2:25 PM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Mark,
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> With all due respect,your view of "wall street" is superficial and
> distorted and so the conclusions you draw are ridiculous.
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> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> Yes, Horst makes money.....a 'wonderful' quality in all of TRP's
> fiction....one of his deep authorial thematic identifications. THIS IS
> SARCASM.
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> Rich Horst cheated on Maxine. Rich Horst seems to have left Maxine with
> little (but the 'house") as they say.
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> Horst can seem to sense where the money will be....like Jay Gould? Or a
> Vibe?
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> Watching bad TV is TRP's way of saying he is his culture, mindless,
> with an "inhuman"---[in the sense his skill
> happens without much interaction with human beings...he doesn't make
> anything, create anything--even a 'team"]
> skill for getting rich. He is the 1%, with an overt "niceness"---why
> shouldn't he be? He is Wall Street.
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> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:44 AM, David Morris
> <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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> He is a very sympathetic character in BE.  He seems almost pure
> hearted.  He watches bad TV, but makes tons of dough. What reader
> wouldn't want to be in his shoes? Would that we could be so lucky.
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> On Saturday, February 22, 2014, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> What? Don't like Horst? Why? He has money?
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