Horst-Maxine-Windust

[bandwraith at aol.com]

I returned the book to the library. If you have it with you, you
choose one. I refuse to use the free version on the Dark
Web.

-----Original Message-----
From: alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: Horst-Maxine-Windust


Ok, go for it. A passage, a page. Anything at all, from the book. 

On Sunday, February 23, 2014, <bandwraith at aol.com> wrote:

I'll leave what Horst 'should' do to you and stick with what he does,
in the book, which is not much. He's loathsome.


-----Original Message-----
From: alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:28 pm
Subject: Re: Horst-Maxine-Windust


Who ain't to blame? Right? We all just a bunch of dollar diggers
dumping all our shit on the rest of the world.  Horst should quit his
job, repent, go live in a monastery or a commune. But that ain't in the
book.




On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:05 PM, <bandwraith at aol.com> wrote:

Horst is no more guilty than Windust. They both share in the blame for
11 Sept.



-----Original Message-----
From: alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>


Sent: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:24 pm
Subject: Re: Horst-Maxine-Windust



If anyone in this novel resembles Vibe, it is Ice, not Horst. Horst
cheats on his wife. Infidelity is not a crime in NYC. She's no Mother
Maxina. The family is, fairly typical of the UWS,  it functions in a
dysfunctional world. That Horst, according to Maxine, once put his
hands around her throat and choked her, and that he still loses it over
trivial shit like the missing Chunky Monkey ice cream, is all I can
find in the novel to make him less than Pynchon's most sympathetic
characters. Dixon, for example, is far from perfect. His abuse of the
females is not excused by his whipping of the slave driver. Slothrop's,
Zoyd, the list goes on. Horst is a good father, a decent guy. And,
again, his skill, luck, independence, and great fortune, are matched
against he neo liberals, neo techs, the brave new world that has taken
his trade, his job. So, again, he is more like the author than Max, who
is, subjected to the harshest satire. She bends and takes Windust
through her torn hoes. Like Frenesi on her knees. Horst is on a
different vibe. 
On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:


Alice, with all due respect,  I can withdraw my two lines supposedly
summing up my view of Wall Street and the argument ( within the
fiction) still stands.....my 'associative', descriptive leap " to the
1%"---simple fact re Horst; drop the Occupy resonances if you want,
....and the niceness of Wall Streeters is just a tail. " Niceness was
to pickup on Morris's good-heartedness and simply to 
Say many of the very rich can be very " nice"....


I brought out some textual NotNicenesses earlier. 

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 23, 2014, at 2:25 PM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
wrote:




Mark,

With all due respect,your view of "wall street" is superficial and
distorted and so the conclusions you draw are ridiculous. 





On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
wrote:


Yes, Horst makes money.....a 'wonderful' quality in all of TRP's
fiction....one of his deep authorial thematic identifications. THIS IS
SARCASM.
 
Rich Horst cheated on Maxine. Rich Horst seems to have left Maxine with
little (but the 'house") as they say.
 
Horst can seem to sense where the money will be....like Jay Gould? Or a
Vibe?
 
Watching bad TV is TRP's way of saying he is his culture, mindless,
with an "inhuman"---[in the sense his skill
happens without much interaction with human beings...he doesn't make
anything, create anything--even a 'team"]
skill for getting rich. He is the 1%, with an overt "niceness"---why
shouldn't he be? He is Wall Street.





On Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:44 AM, David Morris
<fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:


He is a very sympathetic character in BE.  He seems almost pure
hearted.  He watches bad TV, but makes tons of dough. What reader
wouldn't want to be in his shoes? Would that we could be so lucky.

On Saturday, February 22, 2014, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
wrote:

What? Don't like Horst? Why? He has money?

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