Horst-Maxine-Windust

[David Morris]

I am astounded by the juvenile and worthless level of this retort.  You
make a thesis and instead of supporting it you ask others to disprove it?
 That's not how grown ups play.

On Sunday, February 23, 2014, <bandwraith at aol.com> wrote:

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: bandwraith <bandwraith at aol.com <javascript:;>>
> To: alicewmalice <alicewmalice at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> Sent: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:46 pm
> Subject: Re: Horst-Maxine-Windust
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> Anything from the novel that doesn't?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:40 pm
> Subject: Re: Horst-Maxine-Windust
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> Anything from the novel to support this?
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014, <bandwraith at aol.com> wrote:
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> Windust's activities make Horst's lifestyle and "work"
> possible. Horst's success legitimates Windust's activities.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> To: alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 2:36 pm
> Subject: Re: Horst-Maxine-Windust
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> Alice, with all due respect,  I can withdraw my two lines supposedly
> summing up my view of Wall Street and the argument ( within the
> fiction) still stands.....my 'associative', descriptive leap " to the
> 1%"---simple fact re Horst; drop the Occupy resonances if you want,
> ....and the niceness of Wall Streeters is just a tail. " Niceness was
> to pickup on Morris's good-heartedness and simply to
> Say many of the very rich can be very " nice"....
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> I brought out some textual NotNicenesses earlier.
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Feb 23, 2014, at 2:25 PM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
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> Mark,
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> With all due respect,your view of "wall street" is superficial and
> distorted and so the conclusions you draw are ridiculous.
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> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> Yes, Horst makes money.....a 'wonderful' quality in all of TRP's
> fiction....one of his deep authorial thematic identifications. THIS IS
> SARCASM.
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> Rich Horst cheated on Maxine. Rich Horst seems to have left Maxine with
> little (but the 'house") as they say.
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> Horst can seem to sense where the money will be....like Jay Gould? Or a
> Vibe?
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> Watching bad TV is TRP's way of saying he is his culture, mindless,
> with an "inhuman"---[in the sense his skill
> happens without much interaction with human beings...he doesn't make
> anything, create anything--even a 'team"]
> skill for getting rich. He is the 1%, with an overt "niceness"---why
> shouldn't he be? He is Wall Street.
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> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:44 AM, David Morris
> <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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> He is a very sympathetic character in BE.  He seems almost pure
> hearted.  He watches bad TV, but makes tons of dough. What reader
> wouldn't want to be in his shoes? Would that we could be so lucky.
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> On Saturday, February 22, 2014, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> What? Don't like Horst? Why? He has money? He trades commodities?
> Nothing wrong with his job, right? He's an independent craftsman.  He's
> good. Real good. Nothing wrong with that. What? He seems like a good
> guy. There is that temper. That's not good. He gets violent with
> Maxine. But other than that, the novel pits him against the computer
> and the new kids on the block, and he gains our approval. Right.
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> On Saturday, February 22, 2014, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Wrong.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Feb 22, 2014, at 9:53 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Horst does not adopt the new technologies that have all but
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> buggy-whipped the traders in Chicago and in NYC by the time he moves to
> NYC.  He takes a sublet in the tower not because he has finally given
> in to computer trading but because he wants to keep at his old craft
> trade as long as possible. He is, as he says, a dinosaur. As he says,
> the computer trading has taken over and he can do his job anywhere now,
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