JFK and the Unspeakable

[malignd at aol.com]

My point is that his posts are a package of non-linear, look at this, what about that, nonsense, passing for argument and that it's all incoherent.  What does Japan have to do with Oliver Stone? are we not supposed to notice?



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From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
To: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
Cc: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Mon, Jan 13, 2014 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: JFK and the Unspeakable


I gotta admit that I don't follow Malignd's  point other than ridicule by a logic I don't know yet.

On Monday, January 13, 2014, Joseph Tracy  wrote:

Why don't you actually say something you chicken shit asshole.  You have never said anything of your own.  You are a boring malignancy. Guess what big brain, Oliver Stone has made more than one film.  What have you done lately?
On Jan 13, 2014, at 6:28 PM, MalignD at aol.com wrote:

> Sentence one is Japan.  Sentence two,  Oliver Stone's "artistic" output, despite his film being completely wrong in its hypothesis.  Sentence three, if Oliver Stone were on the p-list!.  Sentence four, Jim Douglas is worth reading because he's not Oliver Stone who, one assumes, would not be worth reading (despite his artistic output and were he a writer).  Sentence five, which ignores the four-sentence preamble, instead makes a claim for what is "just pretty fucking obvious."  Sentence six -- which is that the President is a pawn of the security state.  Sentence seven "there's a hole in (your?) big brother's arm ..." for which I'll have to take your word.
> Japan has faced its crimes far more deeply than the US. No one on the p-list has
> remotely rivaled Oliver Stones artistic output or skill though the JFK focus on
> Jim Garrison was a mistake. If  Stone was on the p-list I doubt he would be
> treated with dismissal. Anyway Jim Douglas is not  Oliver Stone and the book is
> worth reading. The problem is pretty fucking obvious and it isn't in ancient
> history. The president is a pawn played by the national security state. There's
> hole in big brother's arm where the money and the power goes and pretending
> won't make it go away.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:29 am
> Subject: Re: JFK and the Unspeakable
>
> Japan has faced its crimes far more deeply than the US. No one on the p-list has
> remotely rivaled Oliver Stones artistic output or skill though the JFK focus on
> Jim Garrison was a mistake. If  Stone was on the p-list I doubt he would be
> treated with dismissal. Anyway Jim Douglas is not  Oliver Stone and the book is
> worth reading. The problem is pretty fucking obvious and it isn't in ancient
> history. The president is a pawn played by the national security state. There's
> hole in big brother's arm where the money and the power goes and pretending
> won't make it go away.
>
> On Jan 12, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Rich wrote:
>
> > Japan hasn't really fessed up to the war. Ask the Chinese or the Koreans
> >
> > Didn't realize we had Oliver Stone on the plist. You're smarter than that man
> c'mon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:52 PM, Joseph Tracy <
> brook7 at sover.net
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I disagree. It matters. It is about a point of departure, and it is precisely
> because there was this challenge to and defiance of the prevailing myth that it
> matters. It is critical that we have a line that can't be crossed and crimes
> that must be faced just as Germany and Japan have faced their crimes. Kennedy
> represents  a point where the peacemaking that is currently deemed by the
> dominant culture to be unspeakable became both speakable and persuasively
> refreshing. Kennedy was loved and the love was growing and changing the culture.
> His death was not a meaningless accident. Not a paranoid fantasy.  Even the most
> cursory look at the assassination unleashes a flood of official denial, lies,
> manipulations, and  non-credible coincidences that demand that we simply refuse
> the official story. The narrative which the CIA tried to erase returns again and
> again and all the evidence functions as an Occam's razor to point to the CIA as
> the center of a successful plot to shift power away from elected leaders to an
> empire of secretive alliances between military, industrial, resource extraction
> and investment forces. Civilian and democratic oversight died with Kennedy. The
> only challenge to that was Carter who was easily relegated to one term and was
> still the vector of Breszinski's tenure as manager of imperial agenda.
> >>
> >> When you speak of thought crimes you relegate yourself to a cage which only
> you have the lock or key for.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Martha Rooster-Singh wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Douglas doesn't have to

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