JFK and the Unspeakable

[David Morris]

I gotta admit that I don't follow Malignd's  point other than ridicule by a
logic I don't know yet.

On Monday, January 13, 2014, Joseph Tracy wrote:

> Why don't you actually say something you chicken shit asshole.  You have
> never said anything of your own.  You are a boring malignancy. Guess what
> big brain, Oliver Stone has made more than one film.  What have you done
> lately?
> On Jan 13, 2014, at 6:28 PM, MalignD at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Sentence one is Japan.  Sentence two,  Oliver Stone's "artistic" output,
> despite his film being completely wrong in its hypothesis.  Sentence three,
> if Oliver Stone were on the p-list!.  Sentence four, Jim Douglas is worth
> reading because he's not Oliver Stone who, one assumes, would not be worth
> reading (despite his artistic output and were he a writer).  Sentence five,
> which ignores the four-sentence preamble, instead makes a claim for what is
> "just pretty fucking obvious."  Sentence six -- which is that the President
> is a pawn of the security state.  Sentence seven "there's a hole in (your?)
> big brother's arm ..." for which I'll have to take your word.
> > Japan has faced its crimes far more deeply than the US. No one on the
> p-list has
> > remotely rivaled Oliver Stones artistic output or skill though the JFK
> focus on
> > Jim Garrison was a mistake. If  Stone was on the p-list I doubt he would
> be
> > treated with dismissal. Anyway Jim Douglas is not  Oliver Stone and the
> book is
> > worth reading. The problem is pretty fucking obvious and it isn't in
> ancient
> > history. The president is a pawn played by the national security state.
> There's
> > hole in big brother's arm where the money and the power goes and
> pretending
> > won't make it go away.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> > To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > Sent: Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:29 am
> > Subject: Re: JFK and the Unspeakable
> >
> > Japan has faced its crimes far more deeply than the US. No one on the
> p-list has
> > remotely rivaled Oliver Stones artistic output or skill though the JFK
> focus on
> > Jim Garrison was a mistake. If  Stone was on the p-list I doubt he would
> be
> > treated with dismissal. Anyway Jim Douglas is not  Oliver Stone and the
> book is
> > worth reading. The problem is pretty fucking obvious and it isn't in
> ancient
> > history. The president is a pawn played by the national security state.
> There's
> > hole in big brother's arm where the money and the power goes and
> pretending
> > won't make it go away.
> >
> > On Jan 12, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Rich wrote:
> >
> > > Japan hasn't really fessed up to the war. Ask the Chinese or the
> Koreans
> > >
> > > Didn't realize we had Oliver Stone on the plist. You're smarter than
> that man
> > c'mon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:52 PM, Joseph Tracy <
> > brook7 at sover.net
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I disagree. It matters. It is about a point of departure, and it is
> precisely
> > because there was this challenge to and defiance of the prevailing myth
> that it
> > matters. It is critical that we have a line that can't be crossed and
> crimes
> > that must be faced just as Germany and Japan have faced their crimes.
> Kennedy
> > represents  a point where the peacemaking that is currently deemed by the
> > dominant culture to be unspeakable became both speakable and persuasively
> > refreshing. Kennedy was loved and the love was growing and changing the
> culture.
> > His death was not a meaningless accident. Not a paranoid fantasy.  Even
> the most
> > cursory look at the assassination unleashes a flood of official denial,
> lies,
> > manipulations, and  non-credible coincidences that demand that we simply
> refuse
> > the official story. The narrative which the CIA tried to erase returns
> again and
> > again and all the evidence functions as an Occam's razor to point to the
> CIA as
> > the center of a successful plot to shift power away from elected leaders
> to an
> > empire of secretive alliances between military, industrial, resource
> extraction
> > and investment forces. Civilian and democratic oversight died with
> Kennedy. The
> > only challenge to that was Carter who was easily relegated to one term
> and was
> > still the vector of Breszinski's tenure as manager of imperial agenda.
> > >>
> > >> When you speak of thought crimes you relegate yourself to a cage
> which only
> > you have the lock or key for.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Martha Rooster-Singh wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Douglas doesn't have to
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