Another Geopolitical Triumph For Vladimir Putin!

[jochen stremmel]

There was a mail from Joseph already, regarding that woman:

Joseph Tracy brook7 at sover.net über
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14. März


an P-list
Before the coups was finalized somebody, almost surely Russian intel,
released the intercepted phone call of Victoria Nuland assistant sec of
State with the US ambassador to Ukraine, to international embarrassment of
the US. Did you listen to that? She says she wants Yats- Yasenyuk to be
interm prime minister, not the more popular Vitali Litchko.  When the
ambassador says the EU won't like it she says Fuck the EU.  Well guess who
is prime minister of Ukraine. By the way one might wonder how  Nuland, the
wife of Robert Kagan neo-con member of the Project for a New American
Century, became part of the state department of the guy who won the
presidency at least in significant part  by saying he opposed the Iraq
invasion. Generally her job has been to do the nasty shit Hillary wanted to
be distanced from.



2014-07-02 18:45 GMT+02:00 rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>:

> from latest issue of London review of books piece on Obama's feckless 2nd
> term by David Bromwich. This is quite troubling re: Ukraine
>
> The assistant secretary in charge there is Victoria Nuland, a
> neoconservative who made a highly successful transition in 2009 from Dick
> Cheney’s staff to Hillary Clinton’s. Nuland is married to the co-founder of
> the Project for the New American Century, Robert Kagan, one of the leading
> promoters of the Iraq war. We may never know what Obama thought Nuland was
> up to when she flew in to the Maidan to pass out cookies to the protesters
> in Russia’s backyard. But the message has got around by now that Obama
> doesn’t particularly want to know things.
>
> Rich
>
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2014, Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for this, Ian!
>>
>> Just a few short remarks along my own lines of thought.
>>
>> I used to enjoy reading the Guardian but its reporting about Ukraine has
>> been abysmal at least since February. There have been only very few
>> exceptions. Just like in the German mainstream media, information that
>> calls into question the official narrative (e.g. with regard to the
>> provenance of the snipers on Maidan, the massacre in Odessa or war crimes
>> in the East) is rarely reported.
>>
>>  Our capitalist lords have strong desires to gain access to the labor
>>> pools in Ukraine, Russia, the world, etc. They don't care how they get
>>> it. Their method has always been to encourage dissent abroad and
>>> suppress it at home.
>>>
>>
>> The labour pools and also the oil wells etc., yes. I usually prefer not
>> to go into these matters but surely economic (mainly energy) and
>> geopolitical considerations (see Brzezinski) play an important role in what
>> amounts to an act of aggression/low intensity warfare of the US and the EU
>> against Russia. The idea of peaceful coexistence seems to have gone out of
>> fashion.
>>
>> Now the EU and US paths seem to be diverging again. While the EU, much
>> too late, tries or pretends to try to broker peace and along with Russia
>> wanted Poroshenko's ceasefire continued, the US puts further pressure on
>> Russia. Whether the US, along with the right-wing extremists, played a role
>> in convincing Poroshenko to continue the military operations against the
>> wishes of France, Germany and Russia is anybody's guess.
>>
>> Poroshenko has now gone over to call the rebels "parasites", Yatseniuk
>> called them "subhumans." These are the so-called "moderates" in the
>> Ukrainian government. If I am not mistaken, using language like that would
>> be prosecuted in all civilized nations as an incitement to genocide and/or
>> ethnic cleansing. Meanwhile the likes of the Azov Battalion commit war
>> crimes in the eastern regions of Ukraine.
>>
>> This can only go on for so long until internal political pressure forces
>> Russia to invade. After that, all bets are off.
>>
>> Thomas
>> -
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>>
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