Ukraine Rebel Leader: Malaysian Plane was Full of Already Dead Bodies

[alice malice]

TAPI gas pipeline making steady progress

http://www.ogj.com/articles/print/volume-112/issue-7/general-interest/adb-tapi-gas-pipeline-making-steady-progress.html

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 4:04 PM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
> Now everybody get a grip on reality...
>
> What is the cause of all that paranoia in energy poor Europe? Germany,
> the engineer and engine of the Euro Economy is at the wheel now and
> has to make some tough decisions it hasn't got the political guts to
> make.  The Pivot? What pivot? China? What China? India? Oh yes the gas
> pipeline to India. Yeah, that will pay for the wars and all that. The
> US will finally get control of the gas and force Europe to her knees.
> Jeeeez. Get a grip.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:51 AM,  <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Thomas Eckhardt: "Frankly, I am feeling like I am sitting in a hijacked airplane and everybody else says, naaah,
>> this is the route we were always supposed to take."
>>
>> I'm sitting, white-knuckled, right behind you. Now everybody --
>>
>> Laura
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
>>>Sent: Jul 28, 2014 6:11 PM
>>>To: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>, "kelber at mindspring.com" <kelber at mindspring.com>
>>>Cc: "pynchon-l at waste.org" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>Subject: Re: Ukraine Rebel Leader: Malaysian Plane was Full of Already Dead Bodies
>>>
>>>Am 22.07.2014 21:03, schrieb David Morris:
>>>
>>>> As I said in my post re. Zerohedge: "If any of this is true, things will
>>>> shake out very fast now. Let's just wait and see."
>>>
>>>Russia has presented evidence concerning the downing of MH-17 in a
>>>global press conference, officially and on the record.
>>>
>>>Details of the Russian statements may be found at Zerohedge, of course
>>>at RT, but also here:
>>>
>>>http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/25/mh17-sacrificed-airliner/
>>>
>>>The WSJ via Counterpunch:
>>>
>>>"Russia’s Defense Ministry on Monday presented its first detailed
>>>account of the final moments of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, saying
>>>Russian radar had spotted a second aircraft in the vicinity shortly
>>>before the crash and that satellite imagery showed Ukraine had moved
>>>missile systems into the area before the incident.
>>>
>>>(...)
>>>
>>>In an elaborate presentation displaying radar and satellite imagery, Mr.
>>>Makushev said it was likely that the second airplane was a Ukrainian
>>>fighter jet. He also showed satellite photos allegedly portraying
>>>several Buk ground-to-air missile systems in the area close to where the
>>>plane crashed. The systems, he said, could only belong to the Ukrainian
>>>military. Ukraine has accused Russia of giving the rebels a Buk system,
>>>with which they then shot down the passenger jet.
>>>
>>>Mr. Makushev said the airplane deviated from its course by 14
>>>kilometers, but then attempted to return to its course, before crashing
>>>shortly after.
>>>
>>>He said Russia is prepared to hand all of the information it has to
>>>European authorities, which included satellite imagery and data from its
>>>own radars.”
>>>
>>>Note how careful the Russians try to avoid conclusions. They have posed
>>>ten questions to the Ukrainian government in the spirit of cooperation
>>>-- or so they say.
>>>
>>>Of course, Russia may be lying in order to avert blame from the rebels.
>>>
>>>In this case, one should expect an immediate rebuttal based on evidence
>>>at least as good as the one presented. It is inconceivable that the U.S.
>>>government does not know what happened and does not have the records to
>>>prove it.
>>>
>>>Russia has asked the U.S. government to publish the data they have.
>>>
>>>The U.S. government has stated that it has "strong confidence" in its
>>>own version that the missile was launched in territory held by the
>>>rebels. It has stated that it can neither confirm nor deny that there
>>>was a Ukrainian military plane in the vicinity of the airliner. As
>>>evidence it referred to social media and "classified information."
>>>
>>>This is very embarrassing:
>>>
>>>http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2014/07/229681.htm#UKRAINE
>>>
>>>What this means is that very likely there was a Ukrainian fighter plane
>>>in the vicinity of the airliner when it was shot down.
>>>
>>>Meanwhile the Ukrainian security service SBU has "confiscated recordings
>>>of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the
>>>crew of the doomed airliner (...)"
>>>
>>>This would be important with regard to the alleged deviation of the plane.
>>>
>>>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28360784
>>>
>>>The Kiev army/national guard, despite Poroshenko having announced a
>>>ceasefire in a 40km radius around the crash site in order to allow for
>>>independent investigations, desperately tries to get control of the site
>>>and has publicly stated to do just that. The heavy fighting, of course,
>>>makes it impossible for Dutch and Australian investigators to investigate.
>>>
>>>-- A few days before that the following dialogue ensued:
>>>
>>>"QUESTION: Okay. Are you concerned that a break in ceasefire could
>>>impede the investigation?
>>>
>>>MS. HARF: Well, obviously, we would be concerned about the separatists
>>>not upholding a ceasefire. The Ukrainians have repeatedly shown their
>>>willingness and ability to do so."
>>>
>>>http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2014/07/229681.htm#UKRAINE --
>>>
>>>There is a report by the BBC from the crash site which has supposedly
>>>been deleted. Eye witnesses claim to have seen fighter jets near the
>>>Malaysian airliner:
>>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUvK5m2vxro
>>>
>>>Etc. pp. Draw your own conclusions.
>>>
>>>It may be only my impression but it seems that interest in who actually
>>>pulled the trigger has gone down significantly since Russia's press
>>>conference. Also, the Ukrainian attacks on the rebels holding the crash
>>>site do not seem to be as interesting as whether rebels at the site were
>>>drunk.
>>>
>>>All of this doesn't matter. It doesn't even merit serious debate. The
>>>narrative has been set: It was "Putin's missile". Accordingly, the
>>>"facts are being fixed around the policy" and the reality-based
>>>community will be left to study just what history's actors do.
>>>
>>>It's the same in Germany.
>>>
>>>Frankly, I am feeling like I am sitting in a hijacked airplane and
>>>everybody else says, naaah, this is the route we were always supposed to
>>>take.
>>>
>>>Thomas
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