Ukraine Rebel Leader: Malaysian Plane was Full of Already Dead Bodies

[alice malice]

The dead body is the European body politic, Germany is its head, out
on holiday, winning football matches, sleeping with Circe in the
gardens of of the gods, the PIIGS, these are Portugal, Italy, Ireland,
Greece, content to have pearls in their swineherds, such cheap
leverage spread off the German benchmark, well aware that they've been
made  into swine, swill and sequel, and read Counterpunch, looking for
reason to cozy up to the gas man, who, propped up by his oligarchs,
who are now short on patience, makes his won rounds to the gardens of
paradise south of the US boarder. Pipelines! We need gas. Have you
seen what the Yanks have now? Out in the Mountain States? And their
GDP is snapping back and they've got that black in the white house
that Yellen Dove pushing unemployment down to 6%.

They'll take over the world. Hand it off to Chevron.

The body of Europe is dead. Dead! America has other plans.

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 4:04 PM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
> Now everybody get a grip on reality...
>
> What is the cause of all that paranoia in energy poor Europe? Germany,
> the engineer and engine of the Euro Economy is at the wheel now and
> has to make some tough decisions it hasn't got the political guts to
> make.  The Pivot? What pivot? China? What China? India? Oh yes the gas
> pipeline to India. Yeah, that will pay for the wars and all that. The
> US will finally get control of the gas and force Europe to her knees.
> Jeeeez. Get a grip.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:51 AM,  <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Thomas Eckhardt: "Frankly, I am feeling like I am sitting in a hijacked airplane and everybody else says, naaah,
>> this is the route we were always supposed to take."
>>
>> I'm sitting, white-knuckled, right behind you. Now everybody --
>>
>> Laura
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
>>>Sent: Jul 28, 2014 6:11 PM
>>>To: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>, "kelber at mindspring.com" <kelber at mindspring.com>
>>>Cc: "pynchon-l at waste.org" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>Subject: Re: Ukraine Rebel Leader: Malaysian Plane was Full of Already Dead Bodies
>>>
>>>Am 22.07.2014 21:03, schrieb David Morris:
>>>
>>>> As I said in my post re. Zerohedge: "If any of this is true, things will
>>>> shake out very fast now. Let's just wait and see."
>>>
>>>Russia has presented evidence concerning the downing of MH-17 in a
>>>global press conference, officially and on the record.
>>>
>>>Details of the Russian statements may be found at Zerohedge, of course
>>>at RT, but also here:
>>>
>>>http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/25/mh17-sacrificed-airliner/
>>>
>>>The WSJ via Counterpunch:
>>>
>>>"Russia’s Defense Ministry on Monday presented its first detailed
>>>account of the final moments of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, saying
>>>Russian radar had spotted a second aircraft in the vicinity shortly
>>>before the crash and that satellite imagery showed Ukraine had moved
>>>missile systems into the area before the incident.
>>>
>>>(...)
>>>
>>>In an elaborate presentation displaying radar and satellite imagery, Mr.
>>>Makushev said it was likely that the second airplane was a Ukrainian
>>>fighter jet. He also showed satellite photos allegedly portraying
>>>several Buk ground-to-air missile systems in the area close to where the
>>>plane crashed. The systems, he said, could only belong to the Ukrainian
>>>military. Ukraine has accused Russia of giving the rebels a Buk system,
>>>with which they then shot down the passenger jet.
>>>
>>>Mr. Makushev said the airplane deviated from its course by 14
>>>kilometers, but then attempted to return to its course, before crashing
>>>shortly after.
>>>
>>>He said Russia is prepared to hand all of the information it has to
>>>European authorities, which included satellite imagery and data from its
>>>own radars.”
>>>
>>>Note how careful the Russians try to avoid conclusions. They have posed
>>>ten questions to the Ukrainian government in the spirit of cooperation
>>>-- or so they say.
>>>
>>>Of course, Russia may be lying in order to avert blame from the rebels.
>>>
>>>In this case, one should expect an immediate rebuttal based on evidence
>>>at least as good as the one presented. It is inconceivable that the U.S.
>>>government does not know what happened and does not have the records to
>>>prove it.
>>>
>>>Russia has asked the U.S. government to publish the data they have.
>>>
>>>The U.S. government has stated that it has "strong confidence" in its
>>>own version that the missile was launched in territory held by the
>>>rebels. It has stated that it can neither confirm nor deny that there
>>>was a Ukrainian military plane in the vicinity of the airliner. As
>>>evidence it referred to social media and "classified information."
>>>
>>>This is very embarrassing:
>>>
>>>http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2014/07/229681.htm#UKRAINE
>>>
>>>What this means is that very likely there was a Ukrainian fighter plane
>>>in the vicinity of the airliner when it was shot down.
>>>
>>>Meanwhile the Ukrainian security service SBU has "confiscated recordings
>>>of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the
>>>crew of the doomed airliner (...)"
>>>
>>>This would be important with regard to the alleged deviation of the plane.
>>>
>>>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28360784
>>>
>>>The Kiev army/national guard, despite Poroshenko having announced a
>>>ceasefire in a 40km radius around the crash site in order to allow for
>>>independent investigations, desperately tries to get control of the site
>>>and has publicly stated to do just that. The heavy fighting, of course,
>>>makes it impossible for Dutch and Australian investigators to investigate.
>>>
>>>-- A few days before that the following dialogue ensued:
>>>
>>>"QUESTION: Okay. Are you concerned that a break in ceasefire could
>>>impede the investigation?
>>>
>>>MS. HARF: Well, obviously, we would be concerned about the separatists
>>>not upholding a ceasefire. The Ukrainians have repeatedly shown their
>>>willingness and ability to do so."
>>>
>>>http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2014/07/229681.htm#UKRAINE --
>>>
>>>There is a report by the BBC from the crash site which has supposedly
>>>been deleted. Eye witnesses claim to have seen fighter jets near the
>>>Malaysian airliner:
>>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUvK5m2vxro
>>>
>>>Etc. pp. Draw your own conclusions.
>>>
>>>It may be only my impression but it seems that interest in who actually
>>>pulled the trigger has gone down significantly since Russia's press
>>>conference. Also, the Ukrainian attacks on the rebels holding the crash
>>>site do not seem to be as interesting as whether rebels at the site were
>>>drunk.
>>>
>>>All of this doesn't matter. It doesn't even merit serious debate. The
>>>narrative has been set: It was "Putin's missile". Accordingly, the
>>>"facts are being fixed around the policy" and the reality-based
>>>community will be left to study just what history's actors do.
>>>
>>>It's the same in Germany.
>>>
>>>Frankly, I am feeling like I am sitting in a hijacked airplane and
>>>everybody else says, naaah, this is the route we were always supposed to
>>>take.
>>>
>>>Thomas
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