Another Geopolitical Triumph For Vladimir Putin!

[Michael Alan]

You need to, spice that shit up a little, man.  I'm thinking east and down.

No not really.  Am I?

Mark.  Markus.  Kohutikus.  Abide me.  This was not your best effort, up
above.  Maybe stop trying,  At some point maybe, maybe, may I?, there's
nothing left in the barrel.


On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> As with the promise and beginning of the US, one either believes that
> self-determination, democracy or incipient possibilities of democracy is a
> base sovereign good/right .....or one is not a social democrat.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 29, 2014, at 3:17 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 29, 2014, Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
> wrote:
>
>> I certainly don't believe ultra right-wingers (aka Nazis or, in this
>> case, Banderists) are your heroes. The evidence I provided merely shows
>> that the neo-Nazi paramilitary units who brought about regime change on the
>> Maidan are now rapidly becoming part of the military/the national guard.
>> Obviously, you don't have a problem with that. I certainly do.
>>
>> You seem to believe that these people will quietly disappear "once the
>> country joins the West", or once parliamentary elections have taken place.
>> I don't.
>>
>
> I know that you are particularly (for obvious reasons) concerned about the
> rise of a neo-Nazi faction in Ukraine, but it seems almost an inevitable
> reaction against previous Communist (and then Putin) rule.  And if they are
> only a "part" of the mix, it is by no means certain they will take total
> control.  Unless a particular faction is banned by law, a democracy has to
> be a mix, no matter how bad some parts might smell.
>
> The alternative of a Putin-like strong arm rule isn't better.  To argue
> for Putin would be akin to the US propping up of anti-Communist dictators
> in the past. A brutal alternative, but maybe less politically messy.
>
>
>> All you say about Russia and Putin may well be true. I am not pro-Putin,
>> I am anti-Nazi. And I try to first look at the beam in my own eye.
>>
>
> Your eye-beam is a Nazi history.  I understand that.  But political
> repression often seems to ultimately foster an ugly reaction in the
> opposite direction.  The hope is that a saner balance will settle out given
> time.
>
> David Morris
>
>
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