Anybody interested in Project Paperclip should probably stay away from the Jacobson book

[alice malice]

And, what poor rabbits we are if we are not willing to smile with the
fox, even when the lion roars, and acknowledge that, while we may not
be kings, let alone kings of smiles, we are not fools enough to be
eaten like grandma's girls.

On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:43 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
> Moral purity, or racial, or cultural, or super-human purity....a
> problem even for those who would heave stones at a women who broke one
> law to keep another, one, we maight argue, Natural, the other, imposed
> by men on his, and too often, her Nature, or to the ancients of those
> who gave birth to Jesus, to Ruth, who marries, not to maintain a
> purity, but to make a political marriage..thus are we ever children of
> Christ's impurity.
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Machiavelli taught us long ago that one whose lot it is to be "prince" can't
>> expect to enjoy the luxury of moral purity and the soul-saving that goes
>> with it. If M. didn't write something to this effect he should have.
>>
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>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:35 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why this claim to innocence? Why such rational resistance? The
>>> irrational, dare I say, Spiritual (as in the Spirit of Capitalism)
>>> attachment you have to Technic/Science is undeniable. Your more
>>> spiritual, even mystical attempts to distance yourself is like that of
>>> a Quaker who sheds all the trappings of the christian cult, but keeps
>>> his hat on for good measure, out of habit, tradition. How the baby
>>> Jesus giggles at holy garments and silver cups and scraps of the
>>> sacred texts. Like your counterparts, Dick C & Co., you have reason,
>>> but it something romantic, something exceptional and sublime,
>>> something beyond that keeps you in your seat, the shadows on the
>>> screen...the bending of the light and sound through the waters of
>>> mystery.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:25 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Thank you for your cooperation. See, out in Boeing, the Pensions, the
>>> > defined pensions are closing down. The organized will need to fund
>>> > themselves through a contribution pension. The cooperation of the
>>> > machinists, and of the engineers is necessary. Could the Nazis launch
>>> > rockets without them? Could Washington launch drones? It was tougher
>>> > in many respects, for the Nazis, for Nixon, then for Bush-Obama (Dick
>>> > C) because in Germany the Engineers were anti-Capital, but we have to
>>> > remember how the culture, its Romanticism was married to
>>> > Science/Technic. And this is what has happened in the US, with the
>>> > baby-boomer romantics married to the computer and the bomb. So, to
>>> > make yourself an exception, clean of guilt and complicity, is
>>> > impossible. Indeed, it is counter-cultural claims, and resistance,
>>> > such Marching and Maximizing of the preterit pseudo-intellectual, with
>>> > his self-righteousness, his seat at the Right hand of Nature and
>>> > Humankind, that drives the Machine of State. So technology, yes even
>>> > the rockets, are not weapons of the Elect, but weapons of mass
>>> > destruction. Weapons that will blow us all to kingdom come. This is a
>>> > threat to the planet, to Nature, to all of us here i the Orpheus
>>> > Theater/Theatre. Why not love the bomb. Worship it like skinless
>>> > pointy heads beneath the planet of the apes?  Come on....don't you
>>> > love it madly?
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 2:16 AM, Michael Bailey <mikebailey at gmx.us>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Conspiracy beliefs are the natural product of an inquiring mind.
>>> >> Nihilism
>>> >> is its opposite. Does the world make sense? Or is there no sense?
>>> >> These are
>>> >> the choices. Conspiracy is a component in this question only because
>>> >> any
>>> >> sense that can be discerned is not freely given. It is hard to find. It
>>> >> requires a quest. And such a quest implies an opponent.  Eventually the
>>> >> questioner realizes the opponent is himself.  We have met the enemy...
>>> >>
>>> >> If personal identity means anything at all, that is so not true.
>>> >>
>>> >> I didn't make a bajillion dollars off Iraq and move my HQ to Dubai
>>> >>
>>> >> I didn't commit election fraud or slaver over the possibilities of
>>> >> torture
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I didn't ....I'm imperfect in a lot of ways but I will not be
>>> >> identified as
>>> >> the perpetrator of those things!
>>> >>
>>> >> There are specific people who did them, they need to be exposed and
>>> >> opposed
>>> >> and none of that implies that we are all dick Cheney in the sense that
>>> >> all
>>> >> those Greeks or whatever were Spartacus
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm not dick Cheney, i may be a pig but he's much more of a pig than I
>>> >> am,
>>> >> and there are people less piggish than either of us who I want to
>>> >> support
>>> >> and cleave to so that I will become even less like dick Cheney!
>>> >>
>>> >> The moral landscape is anisotropic!
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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