Anybody interested in Project Paperclip should probably stay away from the Jacobson book

[Markekohut]

And one of Pynchon's faves, Max Weber, also said it less lyrically. That to be " political" is to be compromised. ( paraphrase) 

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On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com> wrote:

> Machiavelli taught us long ago that one whose lot it is to be "prince" can't expect to enjoy the luxury of moral purity and the soul-saving that goes with it. If M. didn't write something to this effect he should have.
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> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:35 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why this claim to innocence? Why such rational resistance? The
>> irrational, dare I say, Spiritual (as in the Spirit of Capitalism)
>> attachment you have to Technic/Science is undeniable. Your more
>> spiritual, even mystical attempts to distance yourself is like that of
>> a Quaker who sheds all the trappings of the christian cult, but keeps
>> his hat on for good measure, out of habit, tradition. How the baby
>> Jesus giggles at holy garments and silver cups and scraps of the
>> sacred texts. Like your counterparts, Dick C & Co., you have reason,
>> but it something romantic, something exceptional and sublime,
>> something beyond that keeps you in your seat, the shadows on the
>> screen...the bending of the light and sound through the waters of
>> mystery.
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>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:25 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Thank you for your cooperation. See, out in Boeing, the Pensions, the
>> > defined pensions are closing down. The organized will need to fund
>> > themselves through a contribution pension. The cooperation of the
>> > machinists, and of the engineers is necessary. Could the Nazis launch
>> > rockets without them? Could Washington launch drones? It was tougher
>> > in many respects, for the Nazis, for Nixon, then for Bush-Obama (Dick
>> > C) because in Germany the Engineers were anti-Capital, but we have to
>> > remember how the culture, its Romanticism was married to
>> > Science/Technic. And this is what has happened in the US, with the
>> > baby-boomer romantics married to the computer and the bomb. So, to
>> > make yourself an exception, clean of guilt and complicity, is
>> > impossible. Indeed, it is counter-cultural claims, and resistance,
>> > such Marching and Maximizing of the preterit pseudo-intellectual, with
>> > his self-righteousness, his seat at the Right hand of Nature and
>> > Humankind, that drives the Machine of State. So technology, yes even
>> > the rockets, are not weapons of the Elect, but weapons of mass
>> > destruction. Weapons that will blow us all to kingdom come. This is a
>> > threat to the planet, to Nature, to all of us here i the Orpheus
>> > Theater/Theatre. Why not love the bomb. Worship it like skinless
>> > pointy heads beneath the planet of the apes?  Come on....don't you
>> > love it madly?
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>> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 2:16 AM, Michael Bailey <mikebailey at gmx.us> wrote:
>> >> David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> Conspiracy beliefs are the natural product of an inquiring mind.  Nihilism
>> >> is its opposite. Does the world make sense? Or is there no sense?  These are
>> >> the choices. Conspiracy is a component in this question only because any
>> >> sense that can be discerned is not freely given. It is hard to find. It
>> >> requires a quest. And such a quest implies an opponent.  Eventually the
>> >> questioner realizes the opponent is himself.  We have met the enemy...
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>> >> If personal identity means anything at all, that is so not true.
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>> >> I didn't make a bajillion dollars off Iraq and move my HQ to Dubai
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>> >> I didn't commit election fraud or slaver over the possibilities of torture
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>> >> I didn't ....I'm imperfect in a lot of ways but I will not be identified as
>> >> the perpetrator of those things!
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>> >> There are specific people who did them, they need to be exposed and opposed
>> >> and none of that implies that we are all dick Cheney in the sense that all
>> >> those Greeks or whatever were Spartacus
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>> >> I'm not dick Cheney, i may be a pig but he's much more of a pig than I am,
>> >> and there are people less piggish than either of us who I want to support
>> >> and cleave to so that I will become even less like dick Cheney!
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>> >> The moral landscape is anisotropic!
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>> >> - Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
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