Yet another take on True Detective - SPOILERS

Tue Mar 11 21:16:24 CDT 2014

I'm about to watch episode 6. I saw 6 or 7 first, and like it, so decided
to watch the series from the beginning. Cohle is talking non-duality, it
seems to me, but definitely has a dark view (understatement). Enjoying  it
for the most part. Suppose I'm withholding judgement until the finale.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:24 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:

> Thanks for this, John. ANd, despite my grumbling, I'll definitely watch
> next season. Though the quotes you give seem to be arguments for people who
> expected a neat, tidy wrap-up or who didn't like Cohle's mumbled philosophy
> (I liked it all until the final speech).
>
> LK
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com>
> >Sent: Mar 11, 2014 6:43 PM
> >To: Heikki Raudaskoski <hraudask at sun3.oulu.fi>
> >Cc: Pynchon List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> >Subject: Re: Yet another take on True Detective - SPOILERS
> >
> >True Detective's second season is apparently about "hard women, bad
> >men and the secret occult history of the United States transportation
> >system." YES PLEASE.
> >
> >My response to the ending was similar to yours, Laura, though my
> >opinion did shift somewhat after reading this interview with the
> >writer (below).
> >
> >He seems to imply that the "get the killer" finale will be satisfying
> >for those looking for a traditional wrap-up but *should* be
> >problematic for viewers more interested in the bigger picture, because
> >obviously there's a whole history and culture of terrible misdeeds
> >that the baddie was only part of (and interestingly, he emphasises
> >that the killer was a product of that history, not an inherently evil
> >being). Despite all of the Weird Fiction dressing, I think he might be
> >more guided by something like The Wire, in that he wants to create a
> >macro look at a culture of power, violence and abuse, and this will
> >build over subsequent seasons.
> >
> >"The conspiracies that I've researched and encountered, they seem to
> >happen very ad hoc: they become conspiracies when it's necessary to
> >have  a conspiracy. I think it would have rang false to have Hart and
> >Cohle suddenly clean up 50 years of the culture history that led to
> >Errol Childress, or to get all the men in that video. It's important
> >to me, I think, that Cohle says, "We didn't get em all, Marty," and
> >Marty says, "We ain't going to. This isn't that kind of world." This
> >isn't the kind of world where you mop up everything. We discharged our
> >duty, but of course there are levels and wheels and historical
> >contexts to what happened that we'll never be able to touch."
> >
> >
> http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/true-detective-creator-nic-pizzolatto-looks-back-on-season-1/
> >
> >Also liked this: "For people who thought Cohle's philosophy was simply
> >hogwash, be aware that you're calling Arthur Schopenhauer and
> >Friedrich Nietzsche hogwash. Just be aware of that. That is not, in
> >fact, a college freshman stoned eating a pizza talking about life;
> >that's Arthur Schopenhauer's thoughts on life."
> >
> >On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Heikki Raudaskoski
> ><hraudask at sun3.oulu.fi> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> True, and even the first part of JJ's Ulysses was first published in
> >> serial form (in The Little Review).
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 kelber at mindspring.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes, being able to watch a show at one's own pace is very rewarding.
> The difference between immersing oneself in a novel and reading a weekly
> (or even monthly) serialization of a novel.
> >>>
> >>> http://plympton.com/about/a-short-history-of-serial-fiction/
> >>>
> >>> Laura
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >From: Heikki Raudaskoski <hraudask at sun3.oulu.fi>
> >>> >Sent: Mar 11, 2014 4:51 PM
> >>> >To: kelber at mindspring.com
> >>> >Cc: pynchon-l at waste.org
> >>> >Subject: Re: Yet another take on True Detective - SPOILERS
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Hi,
> >>> >
> >>> >I've only seen the first four episodes so far, but your spoilers are
> >>> >OK as far as I'm concerned. I mean that for me in this millennium, TV
> >>> >shows have been more interesting than novels. The era of really
> >>> >enchanting novels having ended around 1997... Like Rich, am awaiting
> >>> >the new Coover.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Heikki
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Quoting kelber at mindspring.com:
> >>> >
> >>> >> SPOILERS
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Have to say, I was incredibly disappointed with the finale, from the
> >>> >>   trite redneck psycho-killer, to the sappy embracing of the light,
> >>> >> to  the in-your-face Christ imagery, to the retreat to Family. Come
> >>> >> to  think of it, a lot of this turns up in Late Pynchon's endings.
> >>> >> Don't  like them there either.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Laura
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >>> From: Heikki Raudaskoski <hraudask at sun3.oulu.fi>
> >>> >>> Sent: Mar 11, 2014 2:15 PM
> >>> >>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> >>> >>> Subject: Re: Yet another take on True Detective
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
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