Yet another take on True Detective - SPOILERS

[kelber at mindspring.com]

Thanks for this, John. ANd, despite my grumbling, I'll definitely watch next season. Though the quotes you give seem to be arguments for people who expected a neat, tidy wrap-up or who didn't like Cohle's mumbled philosophy (I liked it all until the final speech).

LK


-----Original Message-----
>From: John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 11, 2014 6:43 PM
>To: Heikki Raudaskoski <hraudask at sun3.oulu.fi>
>Cc: Pynchon List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>Subject: Re: Yet another take on True Detective - SPOILERS
>
>True Detective's second season is apparently about "hard women, bad
>men and the secret occult history of the United States transportation
>system." YES PLEASE.
>
>My response to the ending was similar to yours, Laura, though my
>opinion did shift somewhat after reading this interview with the
>writer (below).
>
>He seems to imply that the "get the killer" finale will be satisfying
>for those looking for a traditional wrap-up but *should* be
>problematic for viewers more interested in the bigger picture, because
>obviously there's a whole history and culture of terrible misdeeds
>that the baddie was only part of (and interestingly, he emphasises
>that the killer was a product of that history, not an inherently evil
>being). Despite all of the Weird Fiction dressing, I think he might be
>more guided by something like The Wire, in that he wants to create a
>macro look at a culture of power, violence and abuse, and this will
>build over subsequent seasons.
>
>"The conspiracies that I've researched and encountered, they seem to
>happen very ad hoc: they become conspiracies when it's necessary to
>have  a conspiracy. I think it would have rang false to have Hart and
>Cohle suddenly clean up 50 years of the culture history that led to
>Errol Childress, or to get all the men in that video. It's important
>to me, I think, that Cohle says, "We didn't get em all, Marty," and
>Marty says, "We ain't going to. This isn't that kind of world." This
>isn't the kind of world where you mop up everything. We discharged our
>duty, but of course there are levels and wheels and historical
>contexts to what happened that we'll never be able to touch."
>
>http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/true-detective-creator-nic-pizzolatto-looks-back-on-season-1/
>
>Also liked this: "For people who thought Cohle's philosophy was simply
>hogwash, be aware that you're calling Arthur Schopenhauer and
>Friedrich Nietzsche hogwash. Just be aware of that. That is not, in
>fact, a college freshman stoned eating a pizza talking about life;
>that's Arthur Schopenhauer's thoughts on life."
>
>On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Heikki Raudaskoski
><hraudask at sun3.oulu.fi> wrote:
>>
>>
>> True, and even the first part of JJ's Ulysses was first published in
>> serial form (in The Little Review).
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 kelber at mindspring.com wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, being able to watch a show at one's own pace is very rewarding. The difference between immersing oneself in a novel and reading a weekly (or even monthly) serialization of a novel.
>>>
>>> http://plympton.com/about/a-short-history-of-serial-fiction/
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >From: Heikki Raudaskoski <hraudask at sun3.oulu.fi>
>>> >Sent: Mar 11, 2014 4:51 PM
>>> >To: kelber at mindspring.com
>>> >Cc: pynchon-l at waste.org
>>> >Subject: Re: Yet another take on True Detective - SPOILERS
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Hi,
>>> >
>>> >I've only seen the first four episodes so far, but your spoilers are
>>> >OK as far as I'm concerned. I mean that for me in this millennium, TV
>>> >shows have been more interesting than novels. The era of really
>>> >enchanting novels having ended around 1997... Like Rich, am awaiting
>>> >the new Coover.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Heikki
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Quoting kelber at mindspring.com:
>>> >
>>> >> SPOILERS
>>> >>
>>> >> Have to say, I was incredibly disappointed with the finale, from the
>>> >>   trite redneck psycho-killer, to the sappy embracing of the light,
>>> >> to  the in-your-face Christ imagery, to the retreat to Family. Come
>>> >> to  think of it, a lot of this turns up in Late Pynchon's endings.
>>> >> Don't  like them there either.
>>> >>
>>> >> Laura
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: Heikki Raudaskoski <hraudask at sun3.oulu.fi>
>>> >>> Sent: Mar 11, 2014 2:15 PM
>>> >>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> >>> Subject: Re: Yet another take on True Detective
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> An HBO/AMC show is the new mo/pomo novel.
>>> >>>
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