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If one condemns all "empires" equally, and measures Putin's violations of international law by his raised GDP, then one will always be " right" or, of course, never right because the ways of judging hold no set of universal rights. No vision of law, international relations, even basic human rights.


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On Mar 12, 2014, at 11:53 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Just wrong. The effect of our version of capitalism has not distributed but concentrated wealth.  Actually corporate capitalism does not know what wealth really is, assuming it is raw power in the form of dollars which mostly represents burnable fuel. The fuel is running out, and being turned into acidic oceans and carbon saturated atmosphere which will raise sea levels and is producing catastrophic climate changes.  And there is no magic replacement on the horizon. Rather there is a global infrastructure utterly dependent on a limited a resource.This is not wealth but an insane and planless disruption of a planetary ecosystem as though planets were some kind of automatic teller with an infinite supply of capital goods.
> Machiavelli was a guide to criminal authoritarianism. Yes it works for a few for a while, but our empire is no more benign than any other, Capitalism is out of ideas and is a boorish idiot eating everything in sight , starting with the weak.  The current market system will crash.  There is simply too much imaginary money chasing too little of real value.
> As far as your orthodoxy on Ukraine, I don't buy it. I am no fan of Putin but he has done better in terms of GDP and raised standard of living over his time in office than the western states.  I believe the current stand off will stand despite Kerry's hypocritical bombast and Crimea will be better off in future days than Ukraine.  
> On Mar 12, 2014, at 5:29 PM, alice malice wrote:
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>> This idea usually goes along with the one that connects the MIC to the Oil industry than argues that US exploits in the region have only made wealthy, the powerful and wealthy, more powerful, the powerful. But the US and it allies have also raised the living standards of ordinary people. Not by trickle down, but by dominating weaker nations, colonization...so on...and  own, whatever....if the US did not, and if the US does not continue to, kill, and meddle...push Russia on Ukraine...etc...support Israel....it's GDP, and the GDPs of other nations, nations like Canada, Australia, Norway, Japan....yes, those nice clean countries that never get blood on their safe and comfortable lives... will suffer. Most people believe this and that is why they put up with the Machiavellian  US. 
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>> Somebody has got to be the Empire. 
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>> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014, Michael Bailey <mikebailey at gmx.us> wrote:
>> Rich wrote "how would you suggest we deal with these people"
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>> How about by not making their lives subject to a "great game", not deposing their elected governments and not stealing their oil?
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>> Then if they unprovoked attack us, well! We shall be ready, and give them *such* a thumping! &
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