Putin's Counter Revolution

[Johnny Marr]

The West have almost no moral authority to intervene, as our activities
have been far worse than Russia's for the past couple of decades. I'm not
defending Putin, but bear in mind this is only Russia's second overseas
invasion since the Soviet days - compare that to America's record.

Obama may have voted against the war in Iraq, but he pressed for action
against Syria, has increased the number of drone strikes in the laughably
named War on Terror and has effectively supported an illegal coup against
Ukraine's democratically elected leader.

For all the discussion if Europe and the US, there's another international
power that's getting overlooked - China, whose increasing power and tacit
support has allowed Russia to throw her weight around, meaning we're
dealing with a very different scenario to the previous Cold War. I imagine
Merkel, Cameron and Obama are a lot more scared than they're letting on -
Obama's probably glad he's only got another couple of years to ride out.

On Monday, March 17, 2014, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:

> Sorry.  Assumed they were the people on his list (didn't see the NYT
> today).
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kelber <kelber at mindspring.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kelber at mindspring.com');>
> >
> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pynchon-l at waste.org');>
> >
> Sent: Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:08 pm
> Subject: Re: Putin's Counter Revolution
>
>  Wasn't talking about Russian billionaires - just the people on Obama's
> list.
>
>  LK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: malignd at aol.com
> Sent: Mar 17, 2014 6:05 PM
> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> Subject: Re: Putin's Counter Revolution
>
> This is why I questioned Kelber's assertion that few Russian billionaires
> have USD accounts in the US.  For all the international bad-mouthing of the
> USD in 2009, it was to the dollar that everyone fled.  These guys can't
> possibly be keeping the majority of their billions in other than USD.
>
> Not gonna hurt the US economy even a little. As I outlined before,
> contrary to popular thinking, the US is a domestic economy driven by
> internal consumption of US services and good. Someone, who obviously
> knows nothing about currencies, said that a flight to some kind of
> hard currency is expected and that alternatives to the $, the reserve
> currency are part of this mix. Not even close. The P-List is a smart
> bunch but you guys know little or nothing about these matters. Stick
> to conspiracy.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 17, 2014 3:58 pm
> Subject: Re: Putin's Counter Revolution
>
>  Not gonna hurt the US economy even a little. As I outlined before,
> contrary to popular thinking, the US is a domestic economy driven by
> internal consumption of US services and good. Someone, who obviously
> knows nothing about currencies, said that a flight to some kind of
> hard currency is expected and that alternatives to the $, the reserve
> currency are part of this mix. Not even close. The P-List is a smart
> bunch but you guys know little or nothing about these matters. Stick
> to conspiracy.
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:08 PM,  <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
> > Yikes! Is that how my plain text posts look on the listserv? How can I remedy
> that? Anyone?
> >
> > Laura
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> >>Sent: Mar 17, 2014 2:01 PM
> >>To: pynchon-l at waste.org, kelber at mindspring.com
> >>Subject: Re: Putin's Counter Revolution
> >>
> >>No answer to that, World Sisterhood. "drops the mic" again.
> >>
> >>Yours in Solidarity,
> >>--------------------------------------------
> >>On Mon, 3/17/14, kelber at mindspring.com <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: Putin's Counter Revolution
> >> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> >> Date: Monday, March 17, 2014, 1:50 PM
> >>
> >> #yiv933310772
> >> body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,
> >> sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv933310772
> >> p{margin:0px;}And who will stop the excesses of
> >> the NSA, JSOC, the CIA, the mega-corps, and the IMF, oh
> >> world-brother?
> >> LK
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> From: Mark Kohut
> >>
> >> Sent: Mar 17, 2014 1:13 PM
> >>
> >> To: Joseph Tracy , P-list List
> >>
> >> Subj
>
>
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