Putin's Counter Revolution

[Joseph Tracy]

You just can't see the inner generosity of these guys. I mean, they give(sell), and they give(sell), and they give(sell) some more and then people get all in a hissy fit when they take it all back with interest and a few pounds of fresh dripping flesh..  sheesh A guys gotta feed his family.

On Mar 17, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Michael Bailey wrote:

> Okay. Not my remit anyhow. 
> I hope for the best!
> 
> Maybe austerity won't be such a big part of the back end this time.
> 
> Maybe the smarts will be applied to something else besides bigger bonuses for the FIRE sector.
> Did you read how bonuses for those guys are equal to the annual wages of everyone working at minimum wage in the US?
> http://aattp.org/billions-in-bonuses-given-to-wall-street-in-2013-exceeds-all-minimum-wage-workers-pay-combined-video/
> 
> They "helped" Greece achieve its current status.
> 
> They help convert pension obligations to broken promises in this country.
> 
> A little skepticism doesn't seem out of line. 
> 
> 
> 
> alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
> What? You don't think there are people in the US, at GS, that can be
> part of a solution? Look, you guys have to get over this idea that
> America is corrupt and can do no good in the world. The world is
> reaching out to the Americans for assistance because the Americans are
> fucking smart and can help. Not that the Dutch can't. They too are
> smart and capable. Not that England can't...etc...though the LIBOR
> fiasco has shifted the balance back to NYC. Howabout that? What go
> around come around some times.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Michael Bailey <mikebailey at gmx.us> wrote:
> > "Technical financial help" from IMF, World Bank, Goldman Sacks? Shoot me
> > now!
> > --
> > Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> >
> > alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The issue is not so much Crimea's independence but the future of Ukraine,
> >> and more importantly, Russia's role in the region, in Europe, in the world.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The US has a huge relationship with Russia. We are partners on countless
> >> projects and agreements and treaties.
> >>
> >>
> >> And the world is one market. To punish Russia, the US has to drive down
> >> the price of oil, not gas.To drive down gas prices, if possible, or to
> >> replace Russian gas, if possible, would take decades. But the US should
> >> start on it. In fact it has. But it's oil that makes Russia turn. And the US
> >> can drive down the price of oil and should.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> How we got here:
> >>
> >>
> >> First, my argument is not for nuclear war, but deterrent. Has Ukraine
> >> nuclear weapons, this problem would not exist. Putin would not dare send
> >> troops into a nuclear armed Ukraine.
> >>
> >> Second, my argument is that the spread of nuclear technology and arms
> >> can't be stopped. Even nations, in my example, like Brasil, that have no
> >> current threat on their boarders, that are net exporters of energy, will
> >> build nuclear programs. Brasil has a nuclear submarine program.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Remember the Falkland Islands War? The United Kingdom and Argentina claim
> >> control over the Falkland Islands. Has Argentina the bomb, things might have
> >> been different.
> >>
> >>
> >> Could the US maintain GTMO in Cuba if Castro had missiles?
> >>
> >>
> >> The Russian military siege of Ukrainian military installations in Crimea.
> >>
> >> Russian President Putin contends that Russia had responded to a political
> >> coup in Ukraine, sending thousands of Russian troops to take effective
> >> control of Crimea because ethnic Russians there were being set upon by
> >> Ukranian extremists.
> >>
> >> After pressure from the US and Europe, Putin ordered troops involved in
> >> military exercises inside Russia near Ukraine to return to base he conceded
> >> that ousted Ukrainian President Yanukovych has no political future. He
> >> agreed to support May elections.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> He also claims, though the world is not naive and knows better, that the
> >> armed forces in Crimea are local militias, not Russian troops, not Russian
> >> trained those militias, and that the Russian military drills had nothing to
> >> do with the crisis.
> >>
> >>
> >> Putin is a murdering thug and a liar. He can't be trusted. The world must
> >> punish him in the markets.
> >>
> >>
> >> The US has offered Putin a way out; he can save face. It has offered a $1
> >> billion American loan guarantee and technical financial help.
> >>
> >> The US accuses Russia of trying to achieve its policy goals in Crimea by
> >> force: the vote took place at the end of a gun. If Crimeans want
> >> independence, then they should determine that through a referendum, but
> >> international observers should be welcomed.
> >>
> >>
> >> Russia is not the only nation or people with a vested interest in
> >> protecting the rights of minorities in Ukraine: there are Bulgarians,
> >> Romanians, Hungarians, Poles and Germans in Ukraine--some of whom are EU
> >> passport holders, and Ukrainian nationalists are a real problem there.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> What now?
> >>
> >>
> >> A military response, from the US and Europe is not constructive and is not
> >> on the table.
> >>
> >>
> >> We don't need to escalate. War is not the answer. But must be punished for
> >> his aggression.
> >>
> >>
> >> The immediate objective is to prevent a military escalation of the crisis
> >> and promote the resolution of concerns through negotiations and democratic
> >> process. Putin needs a way out, but the pressure must be kept on. So the
> >> financial pressure is being applied and it is working.
> >>
> >> The United States is not naïve; it knows that this small problem is part
> >> of larger Russian expansionist program.
> >>
> >>
> >> The US and Europe need to defuse this one carefully, or risk giving Russia
> >> greater "reason" to expand.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Call it mad if you want. You are naive if you think the world plans to
> >> live in peace without nuclear weapons. It's not going to happen. The world
> >> is moving in the other direction. These eapons are spreading. More nations
> >> are in the club. More will be added. While non- proliferation treaties will
> >> be made, vulnerable nations will need great security, and will build
> >> programs. Putin's expansionist ambitions must be punished to slow the
> >> spread of weapons, but nothing will stop it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, the Ukraine would have been better off had it kept its weapons.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> No, you put down your weapon first.
> >>
> >>
> >> The world is a complex and dangerous one. Do the nukes make it more so.
> >> Yes and no. Call it mad, but why assume that humans are not, that they are
> >> rational, that reason or common sense can make peace in the world. This is
> >> not only idealistic, which I admire, but naive. A naive view of the world is
> >> dangerous and muddies the waters. There are no angels, only men. And man is
> >> a beast.
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4A5HsELQ7o
> >>
> >>
> >>
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