Putin's Counter Revolution

[Joseph Tracy]

Egypt is  worth considering as regards coups.  Morsi was opposed by crowds, but not deposed by them.  Same with Mubarak . Both were deposed by the military. It turned out to be a very bad choice for  the original revolutionary activists to support this overthrow of  Morsi, an elected goverment, just as it was a very bad choice by Morsi to impose an unpopular and undemocratic constitution and cut the revolutionary movement in half.   But with electoral process there was a chance of  bringing the generals under civilian rule  and that is gone, the Mubarak regime is being pardoned and the Egyptians are back to square one with only a growth of corpses, many jailed leaders and lucid clarity about the the military torture state they live in.   
On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:06 PM, David Morris wrote:

> So you think the uprising was illegal?  All uprisings are illegal, until they succeed. The powers in charge either accede to the political demands, or they are deposed, or the put down the uprising then and prosecute or kill the participants.
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> Were you outspoken against the Egyptian 2013uprising in which Morsi was deposed? 
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> The mixed crowd in the Ukraine? Are they better off without Yanukovich?  They were willing to die for that result, but only after he started killing them in the streets.  Should they have backed down?
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> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:41 AM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
> David, it's hard to believe that you'd want to live under the rule of this "mixed crowd," a coalition of neo-Nazis, oligarchs, and political opportunists. If there's a prominent spokesperson for human rights among them, I haven't been able to ferret them out in the descriptions I've read of them. Which part of this mixture excites you? The austerity measures they're going to endorse in exchange for NATO bases? Unlike the Greeks, the Portuguese, et al, I'm sure the average Ukrainian will be thrilled to see wages  and benefits cut, teachers fired, and all the other great perks of austerity.
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> It was widely believed by roughly half of Americans that Bush illegally stole the election from Gore. Seething as we Blue Staters were under the Bush regime, suppose a coalition of Tea Party zealots, Goldman Sachs execs, neo-cons, and, oh, say, Sam Walmart (or whatever the hell his name is) had declared the government illegitimate and staged an "uprising." And pointed to all the progressive demonstrators who'd previously been protesting Bush's policies as proof that this was a broadly supported democratic "uprising."  And mind you, I'm not even adding any foreign interference into the mix. Why do the Ukrainian people deserve less than we do? Their former government was shitty, but they had an upcoming shot at voting it out. Why is something that I'm pretty sure  you and I would never tolerate in our own country, not only good enough for citizens of the Ukraine, but worth reviving the Cold War to support?
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> Some additional thoughts from a Scottish editorialist, re: China
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> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/10700292/Why-China-is-right-on-the-future-of-Ukraine.html#disqus_thread
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> Laura
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: David Morris 
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> 
> You say coup. I say uprising.
> You say neo-Nazi. I say mixed crowd.
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> On Tuesday, March 18, 2014, Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
> Am 18.03.2014 03:00, schrieb David Morris:
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>        an illegal coup against Ukraine's democratically elected leader.
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> The man was a brutal thug profiteer, like Putin.  He chose to be
> ejected. I don't even care who you think led this coup.  That word makes
> you look silly.  As silly as ping pong.
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> That this was a coup is undisputable.
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> You don't care whether the United States support neo-Nazis? I find this very sad.
> 
> Thomas (table tennis player, silly me)
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