Pynchon Quoted

[Joseph Tracy]

" not be permitted to say so" ?
I disagree. The Kind of Martial law we have is extremely indulgent of all kinds of criticism and even criminal behavior that is not politically or economically threatening. It is particularly indulgent of verbal generalities that do not focus legal attention on actual crimes or theft or expose details of secret operations or bring embarrassments to the mighty. Nevertheless agents, drones, military action and economic bullying along with secret threats are quite unchecked by any international law. . And the legal infrastructure is in place for stronger measures.  The set-up of the current model cannot risk being too blatant, and cannot allow a command and control center that doesn't play ball with all the major players.
  Far better if you think it isn't that bad. But In fact the brown shirts are here making it safer for any cop to shoot a black person, any rich frat boy to rape a co-ed, any bank to launder millions of drug money,  and anyone with cash to bribe a politician than it is to assemble in the streets or expose crimes of state. The dangers of investigative reporting are greater all the time. The  foreign proxies of the military  can kill without fear in Egypt or Mexico or Columbia or Saudi Arabia and many other places. The US decides who is abusing power and who isn't and it bears no relation to a common standard. The regions without  US martial law have their own martial law. But only the US and Israel can invade and occupy, can bomb across borders, can instigate economic blockade.   
On Nov 13, 2014, at 5:08 PM, David Morris wrote:

> If that were the case, you wouldn't be permitted to say so on the P-list.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Otto <ottosell at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Maybe, maybe.
> 
> But Ernie Tarnow's words are simple facts, aren't they?
> 
> What we got today is permanent worldwide martial law.
> 
> 2014-11-13 17:32 GMT+01:00 David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>:
> > Yes.  I left that point out on purpose.  If Pynchon didn't see the
> > subtleties, contradictions and paradoxes, he wouldn't be the great writer
> > that he is.
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Pynchon writes about that, AND a great deal more -- some of it
> >> contradicting and cross-cutting that -- which St. Clair missed, ignored or
> >> denied in his P-list days 20 years back. It's symptomatic that he presents
> >> fictional character Ernie Tarnow's words as Pynchon's (without even double
> >> quotes), and capitalizes "Their" (which Pynchon didn't).
> >>
> >> All of us, at some point, seek validation for our own views in our
> >> favorite authors. Some of us outgrow it.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well, Pynchon does indulge him, no?  In other words, Pynchon writes about
> >>> exactly what HE is looking for.
> >>>
> >>> David Morris
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Ah, good old Steely: still getting from Pynchon exactly what he looks
> >>>> for.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 2:38 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From Jeffrey St Clair's Facebook news feed:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thomas Pynchon: "Never forget your Internet was Their invention, this
> >>>>> magical convenience that creeps now like a smell through the smallest
> >>>>> details of our lives, the shopping, the housework, the homework, the taxes,
> >>>>> absorbing our energy, eating up our precious time. And there's no innocence.
> >>>>> Anywhere. Never was. It was conceived in sin, the worst possible. As it kept
> >>>>> growing, it never stopped carrying in its heart a bitter-cold death wish for
> >>>>> the planet, and don't think anything's changed, kid. Call it freedom, it's
> >>>>> based on control. Everybody connected together, impossible anybody should
> >>>>> ever get lost, ever again. Take the next step, connect it to these cell
> >>>>> phones, you got a total Web of surveillance, inescapable. You remember the
> >>>>> comics in the Daily News? Dick Tracy's wrist radio? It'll be everywhere, the
> >>>>> rubes'll all be begging to wear one, handcuffs of the future. Terrific. What
> >>>>> they dream about at the Pentagon, worldwide martial law."
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> 

-
Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l