Deep State

[glenn fuller]

Quizael,

*You are the * ***Kwisatz Haderach*.    In my mind at least, you've 
illuminated the underlying themes behind most of Pychons works, 
particularly TCOL, GR, Vineland, M&D, and AtD.

On 09/24/2014 02:59 AM, Quizael wrote:
> I don't think it should be overestimated the power of the nebulous 
> deep state.  Yes, we are all profoundly fallible, but we are 
> hypnotized. / There is a system at work that is mostly overpowering 
> even to the beings who leave us to believe they run the show.  There 
> may be decent humans who attempt to right, to alter, what so many of 
> us sense is a gargantuan malaise to the structure of this world, and 
> in fact we try to break through.  But there are agenies at play that 
> simply run roughshod (?) over us.  Who runs this planet, theyre not 
> really free actors. Theyre deeply programmed.  And so are we all. 
>  Knowledge about this doesnt really get us anywhere. //The best we can 
> do is walk the earth in a state of grace, allow higher, benelovent 
> energies to manifest, which for the most part we are controlled to 
> deny, be willing to help when people are perishing from the extreme 
> difficulties that arise from the wicked temporal maze of consciousness 
> try our best to exist with integrity, speak from the heart, trust our 
> fellow humans with respect and love and honor the struggle that we all 
> deal with, in our own ways, in the deep state of power and existence./
>
>
>
> Sent on the new Sprint Network
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> Date: 09/23/2014 6:13 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
> Cc: Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>, Mark Kohut 
> <mark.kohut at gmail.com>, pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Re: Deep State
>
> Yes.  And some are much more blameworthy than others.  And it should 
> not be forgotten that their plans often go completely awry, even backfire.
>
> On Tuesday, September 23, 2014, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com 
> <mailto:richard.romeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Do we overlook human agency in these decisions? It's easy enough
>     to blame institutions but seems to me we forget these are men and
>     women with human fallabilities, with their own prejudices,
>     desires, fears, cliques, as has been the case throughout history.
>     I simy don't believe the "government", the "corporation" truly
>     knows the full picture or why it does the things it does. Don't
>     blame this nebulous deep state, blame the individual players, no?
>
>     rich
>
>     On Tuesday, September 23, 2014, Thomas Eckhardt
>     <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de
>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de');>> wrote:
>
>         Am 23.09.2014 09:15, schrieb Mark Kohut:
>         > Yes, sorry. footnote 1 is where it is at.
>
>         I didn't mean that, it was just that the "Susurluk scandal"
>         came to mind:
>
>         When you have Abdullah Catli, assassin, drug dealer, leader of
>         the Grey Wolves, good pal of Stefano delle Chiaie and
>         organizer of the failed attempt at the life of Pope John Paul
>         II. who is, not coincidentally, wanted by Interpol, riding in
>         a car with "the deputy chief of the Istanbul Police
>         Department" and "a Member of Parliament", you get a glimpse
>         into the actual day-by-day workings of the "deep state."
>
>         Thomas
>         -
>         Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>

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