Deep State

[David Morris]

WAY BACK in the day, there was a woman, Christine *ckaratnytsky,*  who used
to proclaim (mostly re. GR) Pynchon was a "working mystic."  I never
believed her back then, but knew she was a cool shit.  I am beginning to
suspect she was on to something.

The term "mystic" is generally applied to a rebel outsider in a spiritual
path, like the Old Testament prophets who were called in to kick up a
hornets nest, usually resulting in their death.  They make new rules by
their existence.

http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=9902&msg=35436&keywords=Working%20%2b%20mystic

Christine?  I think you were on to something...


On Wednesday, September 24, 2014, Tyler Wilson <tbsqrd at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I second  that. Yours, Quizael, is a quite beautiful and succinct
> expression of what it feels like is trying to be conveyed in the books.
> What P is really up to, I don't know. But this is at least as well put as
> any other attempt I've read.
> --
> T
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2014, at 3:17 PM, glenn fuller <glennfuller at sbcglobal.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','glennfuller at sbcglobal.net');>> wrote:
>
> Quizael,
>
> *You are the *  *Kwisatz Haderach*.    In my mind at least, you've
> illuminated the underlying themes behind most of Pychons works,
> particularly TCOL, GR, Vineland, M&D, and AtD.
>
> On 09/24/2014 02:59 AM, Quizael wrote:
>
> I don't think it should be overestimated the power of the nebulous deep
> state.  Yes, we are all profoundly fallible, but we are hypnotized. * There
> is a system at work that is mostly overpowering even to the beings who
> leave us to believe they run the show.  There may be decent humans who
> attempt to right, to alter, what so many of us sense is a gargantuan
> malaise to the structure of this world, and in fact we try to break
> through.  But there are agenies at play that simply run roughshod (?) over
> us.  Who runs this planet, theyre not really free actors. Theyre deeply
> programmed.  And so are we all.  Knowledge about this doesnt really get us
> anywhere. **The best we can do is walk the earth in a state of grace,
> allow higher, benelovent energies to manifest, which for the most part we
> are controlled to deny, be willing to help when people are perishing from
> the extreme difficulties that arise from the wicked temporal maze of
> consciousness try our best to exist with integrity, speak from the heart,
> trust our fellow humans with respect and love and honor the struggle that
> we all deal with, in our own ways, in the deep state of power and
> existence.*
>
>
>
>  Sent on the new Sprint Network
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','fqmorris at gmail.com');>
> Date: 09/23/2014 6:13 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','richard.romeo at gmail.com');>
> Cc: Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de');>, Mark Kohut
> <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mark.kohut at gmail.com');>, pynchon -l
> <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pynchon-l at waste.org');>
> Subject: Re: Deep State
>
> Yes.  And some are much more blameworthy than others.  And it should not
> be forgotten that their plans often go completely awry, even backfire.
>
> On Tuesday, September 23, 2014, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','richard.romeo at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Do we overlook human agency in these decisions? It's easy enough to blame
>> institutions but seems to me we forget these are men and women with human
>> fallabilities, with their own prejudices, desires, fears, cliques, as has
>> been the case throughout history. I simy don't believe the "government",
>> the "corporation" truly knows the full picture or why it does the things it
>> does. Don't blame this nebulous deep state, blame the individual players,
>> no?
>>
>>  rich
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 23, 2014, Thomas Eckhardt <
>> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 23.09.2014 09:15, schrieb Mark Kohut:
>>> > Yes, sorry. footnote 1 is where it is at.
>>>
>>> I didn't mean that, it was just that the "Susurluk scandal" came to mind:
>>>
>>> When you have Abdullah Catli, assassin, drug dealer, leader of the Grey
>>> Wolves, good pal of Stefano delle Chiaie and organizer of the failed
>>> attempt at the life of Pope John Paul II. who is, not coincidentally,
>>> wanted by Interpol, riding in a car with "the deputy chief of the Istanbul
>>> Police Department" and "a Member of Parliament", you get a glimpse into the
>>> actual day-by-day workings of the "deep state."
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>> -
>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>>
>>
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