Deep State

[Steven Koteff]

Great find with that link. Digging through those archives, found this
prophetic little response.

http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=9902&msg=35392&sort=thread

For those who don't feel like clicking:

>Yeah, okay but is he an intellectual elitist?

IMO Yes.  But then as Country Joe once noted
"Everybody's got there limits".

Yes Tom, if you are reading, you could settle this
recent political debate by knocking out a tidy sized
popular (genre?) novel which offered some of your very
pertinent political/personal/social/cultural ... obs, not to
mention eloquence, humour and heart, for the
interest of those who are not inclined to make the,
occasionally demanding, effort to get through your Great
Works


On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:23 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> WAY BACK in the day, there was a woman, Christine *ckaratnytsky,*  who
> used to proclaim (mostly re. GR) Pynchon was a "working mystic."  I never
> believed her back then, but knew she was a cool shit.  I am beginning to
> suspect she was on to something.
>
> The term "mystic" is generally applied to a rebel outsider in a spiritual
> path, like the Old Testament prophets who were called in to kick up a
> hornets nest, usually resulting in their death.  They make new rules by
> their existence.
>
>
> http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=9902&msg=35436&keywords=Working%20%2b%20mystic
>
> Christine?  I think you were on to something...
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 24, 2014, Tyler Wilson <tbsqrd at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I second  that. Yours, Quizael, is a quite beautiful and succinct
>> expression of what it feels like is trying to be conveyed in the books.
>> What P is really up to, I don't know. But this is at least as well put as
>> any other attempt I've read.
>> --
>> T
>>
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 3:17 PM, glenn fuller <glennfuller at sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Quizael,
>>
>> *You are the *  *Kwisatz Haderach*.    In my mind at least, you've
>> illuminated the underlying themes behind most of Pychons works,
>> particularly TCOL, GR, Vineland, M&D, and AtD.
>>
>> On 09/24/2014 02:59 AM, Quizael wrote:
>>
>> I don't think it should be overestimated the power of the nebulous deep
>> state.  Yes, we are all profoundly fallible, but we are hypnotized. * There
>> is a system at work that is mostly overpowering even to the beings who
>> leave us to believe they run the show.  There may be decent humans who
>> attempt to right, to alter, what so many of us sense is a gargantuan
>> malaise to the structure of this world, and in fact we try to break
>> through.  But there are agenies at play that simply run roughshod (?) over
>> us.  Who runs this planet, theyre not really free actors. Theyre deeply
>> programmed.  And so are we all.  Knowledge about this doesnt really get us
>> anywhere. **The best we can do is walk the earth in a state of grace,
>> allow higher, benelovent energies to manifest, which for the most part we
>> are controlled to deny, be willing to help when people are perishing from
>> the extreme difficulties that arise from the wicked temporal maze of
>> consciousness try our best to exist with integrity, speak from the heart,
>> trust our fellow humans with respect and love and honor the struggle that
>> we all deal with, in our own ways, in the deep state of power and
>> existence.*
>>
>>
>>
>>  Sent on the new Sprint Network
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> Date: 09/23/2014 6:13 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>, Mark Kohut
>> <mark.kohut at gmail.com>, pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Subject: Re: Deep State
>>
>> Yes.  And some are much more blameworthy than others.  And it should not
>> be forgotten that their plans often go completely awry, even backfire.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 23, 2014, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Do we overlook human agency in these decisions? It's easy enough to
>>> blame institutions but seems to me we forget these are men and women with
>>> human fallabilities, with their own prejudices, desires, fears, cliques, as
>>> has been the case throughout history. I simy don't believe the
>>> "government", the "corporation" truly knows the full picture or why it does
>>> the things it does. Don't blame this nebulous deep state, blame the
>>> individual players, no?
>>>
>>>  rich
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 23, 2014, Thomas Eckhardt <
>>> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 23.09.2014 09:15, schrieb Mark Kohut:
>>>> > Yes, sorry. footnote 1 is where it is at.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't mean that, it was just that the "Susurluk scandal" came to
>>>> mind:
>>>>
>>>> When you have Abdullah Catli, assassin, drug dealer, leader of the Grey
>>>> Wolves, good pal of Stefano delle Chiaie and organizer of the failed
>>>> attempt at the life of Pope John Paul II. who is, not coincidentally,
>>>> wanted by Interpol, riding in a car with "the deputy chief of the Istanbul
>>>> Police Department" and "a Member of Parliament", you get a glimpse into the
>>>> actual day-by-day workings of the "deep state."
>>>>
>>>> Thomas
>>>> -
>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>>>
>>>
>>
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