Deep State

[alice malice]

P had been there and done that with the first California comedy, a
popular anthologized failure, an unfinished novel or short comic story
on the stilts of a Tragedy, and then, with the second California
comedy,  not tidy and not genre exactly, but too political and too
personal, and failed again.


Thank goodness he got back to his muses before he scribbled out two
more money making tidy terribles.

What distinguishes the masterpieces from the Comic failures is a
complexity and style that we find early, in V., especially in
Mondaugan's Story,  and, through the influences of Adams and Augustine
of Hippo, and others, and beautiful treatment  the themes that we now
know are common and essential to his work: Grace, Revelation, Free
Will, Light... the Manichaeism of conspiracy's web and the still
secretl integration of Life and the music that springs from it.

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Steven Koteff <steviekoteff at gmail.com> wrote:
> Great find with that link. Digging through those archives, found this
> prophetic little response.
>
> http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=9902&msg=35392&sort=thread
>
> For those who don't feel like clicking:
>
>>Yeah, okay but is he an intellectual elitist?
>
> IMO Yes.  But then as Country Joe once noted
> "Everybody's got there limits".
>
> Yes Tom, if you are reading, you could settle this
> recent political debate by knocking out a tidy sized
> popular (genre?) novel which offered some of your very
> pertinent political/personal/social/cultural ... obs, not to
> mention eloquence, humour and heart, for the
> interest of those who are not inclined to make the,
> occasionally demanding, effort to get through your Great
> Works
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:23 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> WAY BACK in the day, there was a woman, Christine ckaratnytsky,  who used
>> to proclaim (mostly re. GR) Pynchon was a "working mystic."  I never
>> believed her back then, but knew she was a cool shit.  I am beginning to
>> suspect she was on to something.
>>
>> The term "mystic" is generally applied to a rebel outsider in a spiritual
>> path, like the Old Testament prophets who were called in to kick up a
>> hornets nest, usually resulting in their death.  They make new rules by
>> their existence.
>>
>>
>> http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=9902&msg=35436&keywords=Working%20%2b%20mystic
>>
>> Christine?  I think you were on to something...
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 24, 2014, Tyler Wilson <tbsqrd at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I second  that. Yours, Quizael, is a quite beautiful and succinct
>>> expression of what it feels like is trying to be conveyed in the books. What
>>> P is really up to, I don't know. But this is at least as well put as any
>>> other attempt I've read.
>>> --
>>> T
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 3:17 PM, glenn fuller <glennfuller at sbcglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Quizael,
>>>
>>> You are the  Kwisatz Haderach.    In my mind at least, you've illuminated
>>> the underlying themes behind most of Pychons works, particularly TCOL, GR,
>>> Vineland, M&D, and AtD.
>>>
>>> On 09/24/2014 02:59 AM, Quizael wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think it should be overestimated the power of the nebulous deep
>>> state.  Yes, we are all profoundly fallible, but we are hypnotized.  There
>>> is a system at work that is mostly overpowering even to the beings who leave
>>> us to believe they run the show.  There may be decent humans who attempt to
>>> right, to alter, what so many of us sense is a gargantuan malaise to the
>>> structure of this world, and in fact we try to break through.  But there are
>>> agenies at play that simply run roughshod (?) over us.  Who runs this
>>> planet, theyre not really free actors. Theyre deeply programmed.  And so are
>>> we all.  Knowledge about this doesnt really get us anywhere. The best we can
>>> do is walk the earth in a state of grace, allow higher, benelovent energies
>>> to manifest, which for the most part we are controlled to deny, be willing
>>> to help when people are perishing from the extreme difficulties that arise
>>> from the wicked temporal maze of consciousness try our best to exist with
>>> integrity, speak from the heart, trust our fellow humans with respect and
>>> love and honor the struggle that we all deal with, in our own ways, in the
>>> deep state of power and existence.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent on the new Sprint Network
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>> Date: 09/23/2014 6:13 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>, Mark Kohut
>>> <mark.kohut at gmail.com>, pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Deep State
>>>
>>> Yes.  And some are much more blameworthy than others.  And it should not
>>> be forgotten that their plans often go completely awry, even backfire.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 23, 2014, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Do we overlook human agency in these decisions? It's easy enough to
>>>> blame institutions but seems to me we forget these are men and women with
>>>> human fallabilities, with their own prejudices, desires, fears, cliques, as
>>>> has been the case throughout history. I simy don't believe the "government",
>>>> the "corporation" truly knows the full picture or why it does the things it
>>>> does. Don't blame this nebulous deep state, blame the individual players,
>>>> no?
>>>>
>>>> rich
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 23, 2014, Thomas Eckhardt
>>>> <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 23.09.2014 09:15, schrieb Mark Kohut:
>>>>> > Yes, sorry. footnote 1 is where it is at.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't mean that, it was just that the "Susurluk scandal" came to
>>>>> mind:
>>>>>
>>>>> When you have Abdullah Catli, assassin, drug dealer, leader of the Grey
>>>>> Wolves, good pal of Stefano delle Chiaie and organizer of the failed attempt
>>>>> at the life of Pope John Paul II. who is, not coincidentally, wanted by
>>>>> Interpol, riding in a car with "the deputy chief of the Istanbul Police
>>>>> Department" and "a Member of Parliament", you get a glimpse into the actual
>>>>> day-by-day workings of the "deep state."
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>> -
>>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>>
>>>
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