Not really Pynchon but starts with Lot 49...

[kelber at mindspring.com]

I love Sherlock, but didn't think Eco's pretentious knock-off had anything thought-provoking to offer.

LK


-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>Sent: Apr 9, 2015 3:05 PM
>To: Laura Kelber <kelber at mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: Not really Pynchon but starts with Lot 49...
>
>After youth, I could not stand any Sherlock Holmes...dislike him;
>dislike his sidekick and dislike the education in supposed logic.
>(which I guess it REALLY is, but 'expense of spirit/logic in a waste
>of shame"..or sumpin.
>
>On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Laura Kelber <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Basically, TNOTR is a Sherlock Holmes  homage ( including direct quotes) set
>> in a medieval abbey. Clever, huh? No.
>>
>> Laura
>>
>>
>> Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have never really wanted to read it because I want books, no matter
>> how WHATEVER [postmodern, very modern, linguistically playful and
>> rich, allusive as Pynchon; nothing like these] that are still about
>> THE WORLD, ultimately.....which Pynchon's work is...deeply, we know.
>>
>> Further searching leads me to learn that lots of commentators link
>> TNOTR's mysteries as akin to the mystery end of Lot 49...and other
>> such works...and it seems that a 1990 issue of Pynchon Notes might
>> elaborate on Eco's allusive borrowing from Lot 49, maybe.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:53 AM, jochen stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I think so, too: massively overrated. (But then, I never read more than 5
>>> pages of it.)
>>>
>>> 2015-04-09 16:49 GMT+02:00 David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Eco's TNOTR is so over-rated.  It is just a pile-on of conspiracies that
>>>> have been cooked up by others before him.  Questionable sources is just
>>>> standard fare, not an allusion to COL49, IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For the first time, I opened THE NAME OF THE ROSE. In English,
>>>>> 1983 or 1984 pubbed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know one meme about it---one reason I never aggressively went to
>>>>> read it, pace fans, refuting is allowed---is ECO's line that IT--All
>>>>> Books?--are mead out of other books and he mixes historical
>>>>> reality and lotsa historical 'imagination" in this mystery.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, it begins with the story of a medieval manuscript, 14th Century,
>>>>> discovered first in the 18th Century and now rediscovered---"third in
>>>>> chronological order" sez the narrator---which narrator
>>>>> then finds another manuscript that seems to be a kind of source and
>>>>> the first one is no longer in the monastery library and is suspected
>>>>> now to be a forgery......
>>>>>
>>>>> THIS is a conceptual allusion to the Crying of Lot 49s internal work,
>>>>> no?...Or is this just generic...
>>>>> a whole historical meme about old manuscripts?....
>>>>>
>>>>> I cannot be the only one who has asked about this hugely-read work,
>>>>> right? yet I cannot easily find a
>>>>> link on the interwebs.
>>>>> -
>>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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