in Which V. is mentioned. as original.

Fri Dec 4 04:52:29 CST 2015

... a-and too little rainbow ...

(sorry, in German it's called Vorlage, what you did – assist?)

2015-12-04 11:27 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:

> As I say, I am often humorless. Too much gravity.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 4, 2015, at 5:17 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think it's called a hyperbole, and Mr. Pynchon is quite used to it.
>
> 2015-12-04 11:04 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
>
>> I guess that's a gentle jibe but I must confess I don't quite get it. "
>> IG Farben" lost me...but, as they say, if one has to explain a good joke,
>> then the asker didn't get it because he's humorless.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2015, at 4:34 AM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mark's clearly in the pocket of Big Pynch. It's like the IG Farben of
>> literature.
>> On 4 Dec 2015 8:31 pm, "Mark Kohut" <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> May I only suggest that, if you do get an English edition of GR, buy it
>>> new not used. The writer only gets royalties on new book sales and Pynchon
>>> and his family deserve his royalties for his lifelong committed genius.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 8:13 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Again, I suggest GR in English. You can get it used online for $5 plus
>>> shipping. Just try it and see. It isn't "hard in mother tongue" in basic
>>> ways. It is hard to synthesize as a whole, as I said earlier. But it is a
>>> fun ride if you are willing to just let go and experience its pleasures,
>>> much like the acid trips Pynchon clearly rode in the days of his writing GR.
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 3, 2015, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> M&D!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>> From: Vitor Repinaldo
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Dec 3, 2015 4:57 PM
>>>>
>>>> To: David Morris , "pynchon-l at waste.org"
>>>>
>>>> Subject: RE: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe i'll try in English.The language spoken in Portugal has a lot of
>>>> differences with the language spoken here. English is easier.  XDBut if
>>>> Pynchon is already hard in my mother tongue I predict a lot of hard work in
>>>> another langage.So as the books here aren't cheap I need to think twice
>>>> which one I'll pick next.The ones that I can find in a more accessible
>>>> price is Inherent Vice, M&D and AtD. Which is better to read after V.?
>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:27:23 -0600
>>>> Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>>>> From: fqmorris at gmail.com
>>>> To: vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>> You seem fluent in English.  Translations will never retain all the
>>>> nuances in a book as poetic as GR.  Maybe you should consider reading it in
>>>> English.
>>>> Here it is in Potugese for 26 Euros:
>>>> http://www.wook.pt/ficha/arco-iris-da-gravidade/a/id/14184775
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Vitor Repinaldo <
>>>> vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm from Brazil, so I'd like to read in portuguese. Here Pynchon's
>>>> books are so expensives and hard to find.My edition of V that i bought
>>>> these days is from 1988.One day i've found one GR in portuguese, but for
>>>> R$400 (more than U$100)
>>>>
>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 14:34:27 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>>>> From: kelber at mindspring.com
>>>> To: vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com
>>>> CC: mark.kohut at gmail.com; kbob42 at gmail.com; jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com;
>>>> richard.romeo at gmail.com; pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>>
>>>> You can probably order it online somewhere. Is the language Spanish?
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>> Vitor Repinaldo <vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can´t find GR anywhere in my country (no longer reissued - it's a
>>>> crime) and I don't know if i coud read in another language. So Vineland or
>>>> M&D?
>>>>
>>>> > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:51:11 -0500
>>>> > Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>>>> > From: mark.kohut at gmail.com
>>>> > To: vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com
>>>> > CC: kbob42 at gmail.com; jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com; richard.romeo at gmail.com;
>>>> pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>> >
>>>> > keep going in that direction. (Unless you want the completist-so-far
>>>> > feeling of all the short stories. )
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Vitor Repinaldo
>>>> > <vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > > I'm finishing V and i've already read Lot49, what should i pick
>>>> next?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > ________________________________
>>>> > > Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>>>> > > From: kbob42 at gmail.com
>>>> > > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:00:29 -0500
>>>> > > CC: richard.romeo at gmail.com; pynchon-l at waste.org;
>>>> mark.kohut at gmail.com
>>>> > > To: jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Vineland!
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Www.innergroovemusic.com
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Dec 3, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Vineland Vineland Uber Alles!
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Dec 3, 2015 10:02 AM, "rich" <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > all i would claim is that GR belongs to the creative thrust that
>>>> began with
>>>> > > V. and ended with M&D. there are some bits in AtD worthy but the
>>>> rest imho
>>>> > > is fairly disposable
>>>> > >
>>>> > > rich
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > but no matter what one thinks of some of the later books,
>>>> > > Gravity's Rainbow HAS TO BE SEEN as, among much newness,
>>>> > > V. perfected, no?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Gravity's Rainbow is V. squared.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > and, didn't Pynchon avoid Parks' basic criticism by writing
>>>> > > SO MANY DIFFERENT new books....
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:34 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > >> w/r/t to Pynchon I think there's some merit to that criticism
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> self-derivative, repetitive,
>>>> > >>> in some way inferior to the first bursts of the writer's vision.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > -
>>>> > Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>>>
>>>
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