in Which V. is mentioned. as original.

Fri Dec 4 04:27:31 CST 2015

As I say, I am often humorless. Too much gravity. 

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> On Dec 4, 2015, at 5:17 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I think it's called a hyperbole, and Mr. Pynchon is quite used to it.
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> 2015-12-04 11:04 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
>> I guess that's a gentle jibe but I must confess I don't quite get it. " IG Farben" lost me...but, as they say, if one has to explain a good joke, then the asker didn't get it because he's humorless. 
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Dec 4, 2015, at 4:34 AM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Mark's clearly in the pocket of Big Pynch. It's like the IG Farben of literature.
>>> 
>>>> On 4 Dec 2015 8:31 pm, "Mark Kohut" <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> May I only suggest that, if you do get an English edition of GR, buy it new not used. The writer only gets royalties on new book sales and Pynchon and his family deserve his royalties for his lifelong committed genius. 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 8:13 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Again, I suggest GR in English. You can get it used online for $5 plus shipping. Just try it and see. It isn't "hard in mother tongue" in basic ways. It is hard to synthesize as a whole, as I said earlier. But it is a fun ride if you are willing to just let go and experience its pleasures, much like the acid trips Pynchon clearly rode in the days of his writing GR.
>>>>> 
>>>>> David Morris
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>>>>>> On Thursday, December 3, 2015, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>> M&D!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>>>> From: Vitor Repinaldo
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent: Dec 3, 2015 4:57 PM
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To: David Morris , "pynchon-l at waste.org"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Subject: RE: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Maybe i'll try in English.The language spoken in Portugal has a lot of differences with the language spoken here. English is easier.  XDBut if Pynchon is already hard in my mother tongue I predict a lot of hard work in another langage.So as the books here aren't cheap I need to think twice which one I'll pick next.The ones that I can find in a more accessible price is Inherent Vice, M&D and AtD. Which is better to read after V.?
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:27:23 -0600
>>>>>> Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>>>>>> From: fqmorris at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You seem fluent in English.  Translations will never retain all the nuances in a book as poetic as GR.  Maybe you should consider reading it in English.
>>>>>> Here it is in Potugese for 26 Euros:http://www.wook.pt/ficha/arco-iris-da-gravidade/a/id/14184775
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Vitor Repinaldo <vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> I'm from Brazil, so I'd like to read in portuguese. Here Pynchon's books are so expensives and hard to find.My edition of V that i bought these days is from 1988.One day i've found one GR in portuguese, but for R$400 (more than U$100)
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>>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 14:34:27 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>>>>>> From: kelber at mindspring.com
>>>>>> To: vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com
>>>>>> CC: mark.kohut at gmail.com; kbob42 at gmail.com; jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com; richard.romeo at gmail.com; pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can probably order it online somewhere. Is the language Spanish?
>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Vitor Repinaldo <vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can´t find GR anywhere in my country (no longer reissued - it's a crime) and I don't know if i coud read in another language. So Vineland or M&D?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:51:11 -0500
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>>>>>> > From: mark.kohut at gmail.com
>>>>>> > To: vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com
>>>>>> > CC: kbob42 at gmail.com; jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com; richard.romeo at gmail.com; pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > keep going in that direction. (Unless you want the completist-so-far
>>>>>> > feeling of all the short stories. )
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Vitor Repinaldo
>>>>>> > <vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > > I'm finishing V and i've already read Lot49, what should i pick next?
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > ________________________________
>>>>>> > > Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>>>>>> > > From: kbob42 at gmail.com
>>>>>> > > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:00:29 -0500
>>>>>> > > CC: richard.romeo at gmail.com; pynchon-l at waste.org; mark.kohut at gmail.com
>>>>>> > > To: jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Vineland!
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Www.innergroovemusic.com
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > On Dec 3, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Vineland Vineland Uber Alles!
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > On Dec 3, 2015 10:02 AM, "rich" <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > all i would claim is that GR belongs to the creative thrust that began with
>>>>>> > > V. and ended with M&D. there are some bits in AtD worthy but the rest imho
>>>>>> > > is fairly disposable
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > rich
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > but no matter what one thinks of some of the later books,
>>>>>> > > Gravity's Rainbow HAS TO BE SEEN as, among much newness,
>>>>>> > > V. perfected, no?
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Gravity's Rainbow is V. squared.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > and, didn't Pynchon avoid Parks' basic criticism by writing
>>>>>> > > SO MANY DIFFERENT new books....
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:34 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > >> w/r/t to Pynchon I think there's some merit to that criticism
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>> > >>> self-derivative, repetitive,
>>>>>> > >>> in some way inferior to the first bursts of the writer's vision.
>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > -
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