in Which V. is mentioned. as original.

Fri Dec 4 05:49:14 CST 2015

Sorry Mark, was a bit of antipodean convict humour. I don't really think Mr
Pynchon's army of moustachioed svengalis are paying off you or anyone else
to build up his finances. I think everyone should buy his books firsthand
too!
On 4 Dec 2015 9:57 pm, "Mark Kohut" <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes and self-implied.
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 5:52 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > ... a-and too little rainbow ...
> >
> > (sorry, in German it's called Vorlage, what you did – assist?)
> >
> > 2015-12-04 11:27 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> As I say, I am often humorless. Too much gravity.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Dec 4, 2015, at 5:17 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think it's called a hyperbole, and Mr. Pynchon is quite used to it.
> >>
> >> 2015-12-04 11:04 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> I guess that's a gentle jibe but I must confess I don't quite get it. "
> >>> IG Farben" lost me...but, as they say, if one has to explain a good
> joke,
> >>> then the asker didn't get it because he's humorless.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 4, 2015, at 4:34 AM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Mark's clearly in the pocket of Big Pynch. It's like the IG Farben of
> >>> literature.
> >>>
> >>> On 4 Dec 2015 8:31 pm, "Mark Kohut" <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> May I only suggest that, if you do get an English edition of GR, buy
> it
> >>>> new not used. The writer only gets royalties on new book sales and
> Pynchon
> >>>> and his family deserve his royalties for his lifelong committed
> genius.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 8:13 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Again, I suggest GR in English. You can get it used online for $5 plus
> >>>> shipping. Just try it and see. It isn't "hard in mother tongue" in
> basic
> >>>> ways. It is hard to synthesize as a whole, as I said earlier. But it
> is a
> >>>> fun ride if you are willing to just let go and experience its
> pleasures,
> >>>> much like the acid trips Pynchon clearly rode in the days of his
> writing GR.
> >>>>
> >>>> David Morris
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thursday, December 3, 2015, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> M&D!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Vitor Repinaldo
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent: Dec 3, 2015 4:57 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To: David Morris , "pynchon-l at waste.org"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Subject: RE: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe i'll try in English.The language spoken in Portugal has a lot
> of
> >>>>> differences with the language spoken here. English is easier.  XDBut
> if
> >>>>> Pynchon is already hard in my mother tongue I predict a lot of hard
> work in
> >>>>> another langage.So as the books here aren't cheap I need to think
> twice
> >>>>> which one I'll pick next.The ones that I can find in a more
> accessible price
> >>>>> is Inherent Vice, M&D and AtD. Which is better to read after V.?
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:27:23 -0600
> >>>>> Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
> >>>>> From: fqmorris at gmail.com
> >>>>> To: vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You seem fluent in English.  Translations will never retain all the
> >>>>> nuances in a book as poetic as GR.  Maybe you should consider
> reading it in
> >>>>> English.
> >>>>> Here it is in Potugese for 26
> >>>>> Euros:http://www.wook.pt/ficha/arco-iris-da-gravidade/a/id/14184775
> >>>>>
> >>>>> David Morris
> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Vitor Repinaldo
> >>>>> <vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm from Brazil, so I'd like to read in portuguese. Here Pynchon's
> >>>>> books are so expensives and hard to find.My edition of V that i
> bought these
> >>>>> days is from 1988.One day i've found one GR in portuguese, but for
> R$400
> >>>>> (more than U$100)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 14:34:27 -0500
> >>>>> Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
> >>>>> From: kelber at mindspring.com
> >>>>> To: vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com
> >>>>> CC: mark.kohut at gmail.com; kbob42 at gmail.com; jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com;
> >>>>> richard.romeo at gmail.com; pynchon-l at waste.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can probably order it online somewhere. Is the language Spanish?
> >>>>> Laura
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Vitor Repinaldo <vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can´t find GR anywhere in my country (no longer reissued - it's a
> >>>>> crime) and I don't know if i coud read in another language. So
> Vineland or
> >>>>> M&D?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:51:11 -0500
> >>>>> > Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
> >>>>> > From: mark.kohut at gmail.com
> >>>>> > To: vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com
> >>>>> > CC: kbob42 at gmail.com; jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com;
> >>>>> > richard.romeo at gmail.com; pynchon-l at waste.org
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > keep going in that direction. (Unless you want the
> completist-so-far
> >>>>> > feeling of all the short stories. )
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Vitor Repinaldo
> >>>>> > <vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> > > I'm finishing V and i've already read Lot49, what should i pick
> >>>>> > > next?
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > ________________________________
> >>>>> > > Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
> >>>>> > > From: kbob42 at gmail.com
> >>>>> > > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:00:29 -0500
> >>>>> > > CC: richard.romeo at gmail.com; pynchon-l at waste.org;
> >>>>> > > mark.kohut at gmail.com
> >>>>> > > To: jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Vineland!
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Www.innergroovemusic.com
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > On Dec 3, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Mark Thibodeau
> >>>>> > > <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Vineland Vineland Uber Alles!
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > On Dec 3, 2015 10:02 AM, "rich" <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > all i would claim is that GR belongs to the creative thrust that
> >>>>> > > began with
> >>>>> > > V. and ended with M&D. there are some bits in AtD worthy but the
> >>>>> > > rest imho
> >>>>> > > is fairly disposable
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > rich
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> >
> >>>>> > > wrote:
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > but no matter what one thinks of some of the later books,
> >>>>> > > Gravity's Rainbow HAS TO BE SEEN as, among much newness,
> >>>>> > > V. perfected, no?
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Gravity's Rainbow is V. squared.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > and, didn't Pynchon avoid Parks' basic criticism by writing
> >>>>> > > SO MANY DIFFERENT new books....
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:34 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
> >>>>> > > wrote:
> >>>>> > >> w/r/t to Pynchon I think there's some merit to that criticism
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Mark Kohut <
> mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> >>>>> > >> wrote:
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> self-derivative, repetitive,
> >>>>> > >>> in some way inferior to the first bursts of the writer's
> vision.
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > -
> >>>>> > Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
> >>
> >>
> >
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