in Which V. is mentioned. as original.

Mark Kohut mark.kohut at gmail.com
Fri Dec 4 05:56:03 CST 2015 

John, please no need to apologize....as Jochen said, not enough
rainbow......it was I G Farben which made me too earnest...foolishly,
since I see them as all BAD.  as I said, too much gravity....

I liked the Big Pynch and had you written  VikingPenguinRandomHouse
I'dda laughed....

I just wasted good plist space while up too early procrastinating.....

Continue on,

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 6:49 AM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry Mark, was a bit of antipodean convict humour. I don't really think Mr
> Pynchon's army of moustachioed svengalis are paying off you or anyone else
> to build up his finances. I think everyone should buy his books firsthand
> too!
>
> On 4 Dec 2015 9:57 pm, "Mark Kohut" <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes and self-implied.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 5:52 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > ... a-and too little rainbow ...
>> >
>> > (sorry, in German it's called Vorlage, what you did – assist?)
>> >
>> > 2015-12-04 11:27 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >> As I say, I am often humorless. Too much gravity.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >> On Dec 4, 2015, at 5:17 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think it's called a hyperbole, and Mr. Pynchon is quite used to it.
>> >>
>> >> 2015-12-04 11:04 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>> I guess that's a gentle jibe but I must confess I don't quite get it.
>> >>> "
>> >>> IG Farben" lost me...but, as they say, if one has to explain a good
>> >>> joke,
>> >>> then the asker didn't get it because he's humorless.
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>
>> >>> On Dec 4, 2015, at 4:34 AM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Mark's clearly in the pocket of Big Pynch. It's like the IG Farben of
>> >>> literature.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 4 Dec 2015 8:31 pm, "Mark Kohut" <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> May I only suggest that, if you do get an English edition of GR, buy
>> >>>> it
>> >>>> new not used. The writer only gets royalties on new book sales and
>> >>>> Pynchon
>> >>>> and his family deserve his royalties for his lifelong committed
>> >>>> genius.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 8:13 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Again, I suggest GR in English. You can get it used online for $5
>> >>>> plus
>> >>>> shipping. Just try it and see. It isn't "hard in mother tongue" in
>> >>>> basic
>> >>>> ways. It is hard to synthesize as a whole, as I said earlier. But it
>> >>>> is a
>> >>>> fun ride if you are willing to just let go and experience its
>> >>>> pleasures,
>> >>>> much like the acid trips Pynchon clearly rode in the days of his
>> >>>> writing GR.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> David Morris
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thursday, December 3, 2015, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> M&D!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> From: Vitor Repinaldo
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sent: Dec 3, 2015 4:57 PM
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> To: David Morris , "pynchon-l at waste.org"
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Subject: RE: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Maybe i'll try in English.The language spoken in Portugal has a lot
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>> differences with the language spoken here. English is easier.  XDBut
>> >>>>> if
>> >>>>> Pynchon is already hard in my mother tongue I predict a lot of hard
>> >>>>> work in
>> >>>>> another langage.So as the books here aren't cheap I need to think
>> >>>>> twice
>> >>>>> which one I'll pick next.The ones that I can find in a more
>> >>>>> accessible price
>> >>>>> is Inherent Vice, M&D and AtD. Which is better to read after V.?
>> >>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:27:23 -0600
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>> >>>>> From: fqmorris at gmail.com
>> >>>>> To: vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You seem fluent in English.  Translations will never retain all the
>> >>>>> nuances in a book as poetic as GR.  Maybe you should consider
>> >>>>> reading it in
>> >>>>> English.
>> >>>>> Here it is in Potugese for 26
>> >>>>> Euros:http://www.wook.pt/ficha/arco-iris-da-gravidade/a/id/14184775
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> David Morris
>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Vitor Repinaldo
>> >>>>> <vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'm from Brazil, so I'd like to read in portuguese. Here Pynchon's
>> >>>>> books are so expensives and hard to find.My edition of V that i
>> >>>>> bought these
>> >>>>> days is from 1988.One day i've found one GR in portuguese, but for
>> >>>>> R$400
>> >>>>> (more than U$100)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 14:34:27 -0500
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>> >>>>> From: kelber at mindspring.com
>> >>>>> To: vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com
>> >>>>> CC: mark.kohut at gmail.com; kbob42 at gmail.com; jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com;
>> >>>>> richard.romeo at gmail.com; pynchon-l at waste.org
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You can probably order it online somewhere. Is the language Spanish?
>> >>>>> Laura
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Vitor Repinaldo <vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I can´t find GR anywhere in my country (no longer reissued - it's a
>> >>>>> crime) and I don't know if i coud read in another language. So
>> >>>>> Vineland or
>> >>>>> M&D?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:51:11 -0500
>> >>>>> > Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>> >>>>> > From: mark.kohut at gmail.com
>> >>>>> > To: vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com
>> >>>>> > CC: kbob42 at gmail.com; jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com;
>> >>>>> > richard.romeo at gmail.com; pynchon-l at waste.org
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > keep going in that direction. (Unless you want the
>> >>>>> > completist-so-far
>> >>>>> > feeling of all the short stories. )
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Vitor Repinaldo
>> >>>>> > <vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> > > I'm finishing V and i've already read Lot49, what should i pick
>> >>>>> > > next?
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > ________________________________
>> >>>>> > > Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>> >>>>> > > From: kbob42 at gmail.com
>> >>>>> > > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:00:29 -0500
>> >>>>> > > CC: richard.romeo at gmail.com; pynchon-l at waste.org;
>> >>>>> > > mark.kohut at gmail.com
>> >>>>> > > To: jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > Vineland!
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > Www.innergroovemusic.com
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > On Dec 3, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Mark Thibodeau
>> >>>>> > > <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > Vineland Vineland Uber Alles!
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > On Dec 3, 2015 10:02 AM, "rich" <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > all i would claim is that GR belongs to the creative thrust that
>> >>>>> > > began with
>> >>>>> > > V. and ended with M&D. there are some bits in AtD worthy but the
>> >>>>> > > rest imho
>> >>>>> > > is fairly disposable
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > rich
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Mark Kohut
>> >>>>> > > <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> > > wrote:
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > but no matter what one thinks of some of the later books,
>> >>>>> > > Gravity's Rainbow HAS TO BE SEEN as, among much newness,
>> >>>>> > > V. perfected, no?
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > Gravity's Rainbow is V. squared.
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > and, didn't Pynchon avoid Parks' basic criticism by writing
>> >>>>> > > SO MANY DIFFERENT new books....
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:34 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> > > wrote:
>> >>>>> > >> w/r/t to Pynchon I think there's some merit to that criticism
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Mark Kohut
>> >>>>> > >> <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> > >> wrote:
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>> self-derivative, repetitive,
>> >>>>> > >>> in some way inferior to the first bursts of the writer's
>> >>>>> > >>> vision.
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > >
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