Re: Climate Negotiators Hail ‘Historic’ Paris Draft Agreement - Bloomberg Business

[Mark Kohut]

The movement of difference and hope from Paris  is that there are now World-Organized incentives for business and countries to leave fossil fuel in the ground because investing 
In other forms of energy, in sucking c02 from the atmosphere--there is technology to do that---
will accelerate. Hansen mentions this in a Sci Amer article and elsewhere which Joseph did not send around)
"It will take the international business community" ---JohnKerry. (Paraphrase surely)

I personally, Polyanna that I am, prefer the former skeptic who foresees an accelerating cascading effect of change because Paris. Look up all the Good that has recently been effected.

few I've ever talked to can talk scale of effect and change. 


I like toting up all the positive changes the world has made to feel better for the future. Another massively complex problem. Many must not believe there are ongoing positive changes. 

But we, the whole world, have  to do more than we can NOW AND FOREVER more ASAP
To save the planet...new book coming with that premise.....and I am now barely reading
An intelligent philosopher on how,the world will change in the near future because climate change and what we need to know to do. 

Climate change is happening. Real bad shit. Q is Can we save the world? 



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> On Dec 16, 2015, at 6:44 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
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> We are talking about governments here, i.e., massive business aggregates. They are not eager to drop immediate profits in the interest of long-term survival. Business is not conducted with the next generation in mind, only the profit margin, ergo governments act in kind. Pulled out The Sacred and the Profane again the other day and came across a passage that struck me as particularly applicable in these times, if only we acknowledge that our leaders today honor the gods, not of pre-history, but of recent history. The world they know was made by gods such as Pierce Inverarity, not those old gods of the Nile, of Beth-el, or of Olympus. Profit, i.e., the stronger hand in trade, is the only environment that concerns them.
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>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
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>> > On Dec 12, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
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>> > If all the pledges are actually fully met it will still lead to a temperature rise between 3 and 4 degrees C global average( land temps will be more extreme) That will produce massive global catastrophes.
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>> > http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/10/climate-2c-global-warming-target-fail
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>> >  Naomi Klein: We know, from doing the math and adding up the targets that the major economies have brought to Paris, that those targets lead us to a very dangerous future. They lead us to a future between 3 and 4 degrees Celsius warming. These are figures from the Tyndall Centre and Kevin Anderson, who have analyzed those numbers. It does not lead us to 2 degrees Celsius, which is what many of our governments pledged to do in Copenhagen in 2009.
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>> > KEVIN ANDERSON: The message is that the voluntary submissions that have been put forward by all of the countries, when you add all of these up, they are far, far above the level of what we call dangerous climate change, that all of our leaders have committed to, to avoid going above this 2 degrees C rise, I think about 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit. But actually, when you add up all of the commitments that the countries are making in terms of their reductions in emissions, then actually it’s far, far above that, nearer 3 or 4 degrees C temperature rise, which is a huge increase. That’s a global average. Remember, that is a global average. And most of the globe is covered in water, so on land that’s an average of, if we carry on like we’re going now, 4, 5, possibly even as high as 6 degrees C temperature rise.
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>> > James Hansen also agreed with this estimate
>> >> On Dec 12, 2015, at 6:56 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-12/climate-envoys-prepare-for-broadest-deal-yet-limiting-pollution
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