Re: Climate Negotiators Hail ‘Historic’ Paris Draft Agreement - Bloomberg Business

[Keith Davis]

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/12/14/a_turning_point_for_the_climate

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> The movement of difference and hope from Paris  is that there are now
> World-Organized incentives for business and countries to leave fossil fuel
> in the ground because investing
> In other forms of energy, in sucking c02 from the atmosphere--there is
> technology to do that---
> will accelerate. Hansen mentions this in a Sci Amer article and elsewhere
> which Joseph did not send around)
> "It will take the international business community" ---JohnKerry.
> (Paraphrase surely)
>
> I personally, Polyanna that I am, prefer the former skeptic who foresees
> an accelerating cascading effect of change because Paris. Look up all the
> Good that has recently been effected.
>
> few I've ever talked to can talk scale of effect and change.
>
>
> I like toting up all the positive changes the world has made to feel
> better for the future. Another massively complex problem. Many must not
> believe there are ongoing positive changes.
>
> But we, the whole world, have  to do more than we can NOW AND FOREVER more
> ASAP
> To save the planet...new book coming with that premise.....and I am now
> barely reading
> An intelligent philosopher on how,the world will change in the near future
> because climate change and what we need to know to do.
>
> Climate change is happening. Real bad shit. Q is Can we save the world?
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 16, 2015, at 6:44 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> We are talking about governments here, i.e., massive business aggregates.
> They are not eager to drop immediate profits in the interest of long-term
> survival. Business is not conducted with the next generation in mind, only
> the profit margin, ergo governments act in kind. Pulled out The Sacred and
> the Profane again the other day and came across a passage that struck me as
> particularly applicable in these times, if only we acknowledge that our
> leaders today honor the gods, not of pre-history, but of recent history.
> The world they know was made by gods such as Pierce Inverarity, not those
> old gods of the Nile, of Beth-el, or of Olympus. Profit, i.e., the stronger
> hand in trade, is the only environment that concerns them.
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
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>> > On Dec 12, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > If all the pledges are actually fully met it will still lead to a
>> temperature rise between 3 and 4 degrees C global average( land temps will
>> be more extreme) That will produce massive global catastrophes.
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/10/climate-2c-global-warming-target-fail
>> >
>> >  Naomi Klein: We know, from doing the math and adding up the targets
>> that the major economies have brought to Paris, that those targets lead us
>> to a very dangerous future. They lead us to a future between 3 and 4
>> degrees Celsius warming. These are figures from the Tyndall Centre and
>> Kevin Anderson, who have analyzed those numbers. It does not lead us to 2
>> degrees Celsius, which is what many of our governments pledged to do in
>> Copenhagen in 2009.
>> >
>> > KEVIN ANDERSON: The message is that the voluntary submissions that have
>> been put forward by all of the countries, when you add all of these up,
>> they are far, far above the level of what we call dangerous climate change,
>> that all of our leaders have committed to, to avoid going above this 2
>> degrees C rise, I think about 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit. But actually, when
>> you add up all of the commitments that the countries are making in terms of
>> their reductions in emissions, then actually it’s far, far above that,
>> nearer 3 or 4 degrees C temperature rise, which is a huge increase. That’s
>> a global average. Remember, that is a global average. And most of the globe
>> is covered in water, so on land that’s an average of, if we carry on like
>> we’re going now, 4, 5, possibly even as high as 6 degrees C temperature
>> rise.
>> >
>> > James Hansen also agreed with this estimate
>> >> On Dec 12, 2015, at 6:56 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-12/climate-envoys-prepare-for-broadest-deal-yet-limiting-pollution
>> >>
>> >>
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