Re: Climate Negotiators Hail ‘Historic’ Paris Draft Agreement - Bloomberg Business

Wed Dec 16 11:27:59 CST 2015

Here is a short summary of the history of global warming.

-Pete

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/12/16/3731098/food-agriculture-climate-agreement-paris/
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > http://www.democracynow.org/2015/12/14/a_turning_point_for_the_climate
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The movement of difference and hope from Paris  is that there are now
> >> World-Organized incentives for business and countries to leave fossil
> fuel
> >> in the ground because investing
> >> In other forms of energy, in sucking c02 from the atmosphere--there is
> >> technology to do that---
> >> will accelerate. Hansen mentions this in a Sci Amer article and
> elsewhere
> >> which Joseph did not send around)
> >> "It will take the international business community" ---JohnKerry.
> >> (Paraphrase surely)
> >>
> >> I personally, Polyanna that I am, prefer the former skeptic who foresees
> >> an accelerating cascading effect of change because Paris. Look up all
> the
> >> Good that has recently been effected.
> >>
> >> few I've ever talked to can talk scale of effect and change.
> >>
> >>
> >> I like toting up all the positive changes the world has made to feel
> >> better for the future. Another massively complex problem. Many must not
> >> believe there are ongoing positive changes.
> >>
> >> But we, the whole world, have  to do more than we can NOW AND FOREVER
> more
> >> ASAP
> >> To save the planet...new book coming with that premise.....and I am now
> >> barely reading
> >> An intelligent philosopher on how,the world will change in the near
> future
> >> because climate change and what we need to know to do.
> >>
> >> Climate change is happening. Real bad shit. Q is Can we save the world?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Dec 16, 2015, at 6:44 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> We are talking about governments here, i.e., massive business
> aggregates.
> >> They are not eager to drop immediate profits in the interest of
> long-term
> >> survival. Business is not conducted with the next generation in mind,
> only
> >> the profit margin, ergo governments act in kind. Pulled out The Sacred
> and
> >> the Profane again the other day and came across a passage that struck
> me as
> >> particularly applicable in these times, if only we acknowledge that our
> >> leaders today honor the gods, not of pre-history, but of recent
> history. The
> >> world they know was made by gods such as Pierce Inverarity, not those
> old
> >> gods of the Nile, of Beth-el, or of Olympus. Profit, i.e., the stronger
> hand
> >> in trade, is the only environment that concerns them.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > On Dec 12, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > If all the pledges are actually fully met it will still lead to a
> >>> > temperature rise between 3 and 4 degrees C global average( land
> temps will
> >>> > be more extreme) That will produce massive global catastrophes.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/10/climate-2c-global-warming-target-fail
> >>> >
> >>> >  Naomi Klein: We know, from doing the math and adding up the targets
> >>> > that the major economies have brought to Paris, that those targets
> lead us
> >>> > to a very dangerous future. They lead us to a future between 3 and 4
> degrees
> >>> > Celsius warming. These are figures from the Tyndall Centre and Kevin
> >>> > Anderson, who have analyzed those numbers. It does not lead us to 2
> degrees
> >>> > Celsius, which is what many of our governments pledged to do in
> Copenhagen
> >>> > in 2009.
> >>> >
> >>> > KEVIN ANDERSON: The message is that the voluntary submissions that
> have
> >>> > been put forward by all of the countries, when you add all of these
> up, they
> >>> > are far, far above the level of what we call dangerous climate
> change, that
> >>> > all of our leaders have committed to, to avoid going above this 2
> degrees C
> >>> > rise, I think about 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit. But actually, when you
> add up
> >>> > all of the commitments that the countries are making in terms of
> their
> >>> > reductions in emissions, then actually it’s far, far above that,
> nearer 3 or
> >>> > 4 degrees C temperature rise, which is a huge increase. That’s a
> global
> >>> > average. Remember, that is a global average. And most of the globe is
> >>> > covered in water, so on land that’s an average of, if we carry on
> like we’re
> >>> > going now, 4, 5, possibly even as high as 6 degrees C temperature
> rise.
> >>> >
> >>> > James Hansen also agreed with this estimate
> >>> >> On Dec 12, 2015, at 6:56 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-12/climate-envoys-prepare-for-broadest-deal-yet-limiting-pollution
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sent from my iPad-
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