Re: Climate Negotiators Hail ‘Historic’ Paris Draft Agreement - Bloomberg Business

[Mark Kohut]

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/12/16/3731098/food-agriculture-climate-agreement-paris/

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.democracynow.org/2015/12/14/a_turning_point_for_the_climate
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The movement of difference and hope from Paris  is that there are now
>> World-Organized incentives for business and countries to leave fossil fuel
>> in the ground because investing
>> In other forms of energy, in sucking c02 from the atmosphere--there is
>> technology to do that---
>> will accelerate. Hansen mentions this in a Sci Amer article and elsewhere
>> which Joseph did not send around)
>> "It will take the international business community" ---JohnKerry.
>> (Paraphrase surely)
>>
>> I personally, Polyanna that I am, prefer the former skeptic who foresees
>> an accelerating cascading effect of change because Paris. Look up all the
>> Good that has recently been effected.
>>
>> few I've ever talked to can talk scale of effect and change.
>>
>>
>> I like toting up all the positive changes the world has made to feel
>> better for the future. Another massively complex problem. Many must not
>> believe there are ongoing positive changes.
>>
>> But we, the whole world, have  to do more than we can NOW AND FOREVER more
>> ASAP
>> To save the planet...new book coming with that premise.....and I am now
>> barely reading
>> An intelligent philosopher on how,the world will change in the near future
>> because climate change and what we need to know to do.
>>
>> Climate change is happening. Real bad shit. Q is Can we save the world?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 6:44 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We are talking about governments here, i.e., massive business aggregates.
>> They are not eager to drop immediate profits in the interest of long-term
>> survival. Business is not conducted with the next generation in mind, only
>> the profit margin, ergo governments act in kind. Pulled out The Sacred and
>> the Profane again the other day and came across a passage that struck me as
>> particularly applicable in these times, if only we acknowledge that our
>> leaders today honor the gods, not of pre-history, but of recent history. The
>> world they know was made by gods such as Pierce Inverarity, not those old
>> gods of the Nile, of Beth-el, or of Olympus. Profit, i.e., the stronger hand
>> in trade, is the only environment that concerns them.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Dec 12, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > If all the pledges are actually fully met it will still lead to a
>>> > temperature rise between 3 and 4 degrees C global average( land temps will
>>> > be more extreme) That will produce massive global catastrophes.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/10/climate-2c-global-warming-target-fail
>>> >
>>> >  Naomi Klein: We know, from doing the math and adding up the targets
>>> > that the major economies have brought to Paris, that those targets lead us
>>> > to a very dangerous future. They lead us to a future between 3 and 4 degrees
>>> > Celsius warming. These are figures from the Tyndall Centre and Kevin
>>> > Anderson, who have analyzed those numbers. It does not lead us to 2 degrees
>>> > Celsius, which is what many of our governments pledged to do in Copenhagen
>>> > in 2009.
>>> >
>>> > KEVIN ANDERSON: The message is that the voluntary submissions that have
>>> > been put forward by all of the countries, when you add all of these up, they
>>> > are far, far above the level of what we call dangerous climate change, that
>>> > all of our leaders have committed to, to avoid going above this 2 degrees C
>>> > rise, I think about 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit. But actually, when you add up
>>> > all of the commitments that the countries are making in terms of their
>>> > reductions in emissions, then actually it’s far, far above that, nearer 3 or
>>> > 4 degrees C temperature rise, which is a huge increase. That’s a global
>>> > average. Remember, that is a global average. And most of the globe is
>>> > covered in water, so on land that’s an average of, if we carry on like we’re
>>> > going now, 4, 5, possibly even as high as 6 degrees C temperature rise.
>>> >
>>> > James Hansen also agreed with this estimate
>>> >> On Dec 12, 2015, at 6:56 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-12/climate-envoys-prepare-for-broadest-deal-yet-limiting-pollution
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPad-
>>> >> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list
>>> >
>>>
>>> -
>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> www.innergroovemusic.com
>
-
Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l