Re: Climate Negotiators Hail ‘Historic’ Paris Draft Agreement - Bloomberg Business

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Does the business interest and short term corporate profit  drive policy?
In the top ten, both in total CO2 emissions, and in emissions per capita,
there is a great deal of government control of business and the economy,
though, obviously, a shift to more market economies is underway.  China,
Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Japan, not exactly "free market economies", so
governments can set policy, more so than in the US. In fact, the
governments in almost all of the top 25 emissions countries can, without
the messiness of either a democracy that has been bought out through
leverage and lobby, or the complex network of public international
conglomerates that are so vital to the US, drive policy.



On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
wrote:

> We are talking about governments here, i.e., massive business aggregates.
> They are not eager to drop immediate profits in the interest of long-term
> survival. Business is not conducted with the next generation in mind, only
> the profit margin, ergo governments act in kind. Pulled out The Sacred and
> the Profane again the other day and came across a passage that struck me as
> particularly applicable in these times, if only we acknowledge that our
> leaders today honor the gods, not of pre-history, but of recent history.
> The world they know was made by gods such as Pierce Inverarity, not those
> old gods of the Nile, of Beth-el, or of Olympus. Profit, i.e., the stronger
> hand in trade, is the only environment that concerns them.
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> > On Dec 12, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > If all the pledges are actually fully met it will still lead to a
>> temperature rise between 3 and 4 degrees C global average( land temps will
>> be more extreme) That will produce massive global catastrophes.
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/10/climate-2c-global-warming-target-fail
>> >
>> >  Naomi Klein: We know, from doing the math and adding up the targets
>> that the major economies have brought to Paris, that those targets lead us
>> to a very dangerous future. They lead us to a future between 3 and 4
>> degrees Celsius warming. These are figures from the Tyndall Centre and
>> Kevin Anderson, who have analyzed those numbers. It does not lead us to 2
>> degrees Celsius, which is what many of our governments pledged to do in
>> Copenhagen in 2009.
>> >
>> > KEVIN ANDERSON: The message is that the voluntary submissions that have
>> been put forward by all of the countries, when you add all of these up,
>> they are far, far above the level of what we call dangerous climate change,
>> that all of our leaders have committed to, to avoid going above this 2
>> degrees C rise, I think about 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit. But actually, when
>> you add up all of the commitments that the countries are making in terms of
>> their reductions in emissions, then actually it’s far, far above that,
>> nearer 3 or 4 degrees C temperature rise, which is a huge increase. That’s
>> a global average. Remember, that is a global average. And most of the globe
>> is covered in water, so on land that’s an average of, if we carry on like
>> we’re going now, 4, 5, possibly even as high as 6 degrees C temperature
>> rise.
>> >
>> > James Hansen also agreed with this estimate
>> >> On Dec 12, 2015, at 6:56 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-12/climate-envoys-prepare-for-broadest-deal-yet-limiting-pollution
>> >>
>> >>
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