Re: Climate Negotiators Hail ‘Historic’ Paris Draft Agreement - Bloomberg Business

[ish mailian]

So the the US must lead from behind?

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 6:17 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does the business interest and short term corporate profit  drive policy?
> In the top ten, both in total CO2 emissions, and in emissions per capita,
> there is a great deal of government control of business and the economy,
> though, obviously, a shift to more market economies is underway.  China,
> Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Japan, not exactly "free market economies", so
> governments can set policy, more so than in the US. In fact, the
> governments in almost all of the top 25 emissions countries can, without
> the messiness of either a democracy that has been bought out through
> leverage and lobby, or the complex network of public international
> conglomerates that are so vital to the US, drive policy.
>
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> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We are talking about governments here, i.e., massive business aggregates.
>> They are not eager to drop immediate profits in the interest of long-term
>> survival. Business is not conducted with the next generation in mind, only
>> the profit margin, ergo governments act in kind. Pulled out The Sacred and
>> the Profane again the other day and came across a passage that struck me as
>> particularly applicable in these times, if only we acknowledge that our
>> leaders today honor the gods, not of pre-history, but of recent history.
>> The world they know was made by gods such as Pierce Inverarity, not those
>> old gods of the Nile, of Beth-el, or of Olympus. Profit, i.e., the stronger
>> hand in trade, is the only environment that concerns them.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > On Dec 12, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > If all the pledges are actually fully met it will still lead to a
>>> temperature rise between 3 and 4 degrees C global average( land temps will
>>> be more extreme) That will produce massive global catastrophes.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/10/climate-2c-global-warming-target-fail
>>> >
>>> >  Naomi Klein: We know, from doing the math and adding up the targets
>>> that the major economies have brought to Paris, that those targets lead us
>>> to a very dangerous future. They lead us to a future between 3 and 4
>>> degrees Celsius warming. These are figures from the Tyndall Centre and
>>> Kevin Anderson, who have analyzed those numbers. It does not lead us to 2
>>> degrees Celsius, which is what many of our governments pledged to do in
>>> Copenhagen in 2009.
>>> >
>>> > KEVIN ANDERSON: The message is that the voluntary submissions that
>>> have been put forward by all of the countries, when you add all of these
>>> up, they are far, far above the level of what we call dangerous climate
>>> change, that all of our leaders have committed to, to avoid going above
>>> this 2 degrees C rise, I think about 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit. But actually,
>>> when you add up all of the commitments that the countries are making in
>>> terms of their reductions in emissions, then actually it’s far, far above
>>> that, nearer 3 or 4 degrees C temperature rise, which is a huge increase.
>>> That’s a global average. Remember, that is a global average. And most of
>>> the globe is covered in water, so on land that’s an average of, if we carry
>>> on like we’re going now, 4, 5, possibly even as high as 6 degrees C
>>> temperature rise.
>>> >
>>> > James Hansen also agreed with this estimate
>>> >> On Dec 12, 2015, at 6:56 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-12/climate-envoys-prepare-for-broadest-deal-yet-limiting-pollution
>>> >>
>>> >>
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