Men Explain Lolita To Me

[Ray Easton]

Oop!  It appears I misaddressed this.

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On December 18, 2015 4:17:20 AM Ray Easton <raymond.lee.easton at gmail.com> 
wrote:

> I was aware that you were alluding to words of HH himself -- all the more
> reason to be wary!  HH makes a fictional living out of manipulating the way
> we see him.
>
> And one ought to be especially wary in this case, given that the novel
> explicitly pokes fun at the view that this is a morality tale -- that is
> John Ray's view of the story!
>
> Lolita is indeed more than a stylistic exercise.  It is a presentation of
> obsession,  perhaps the best there is; certainly the best with which I am
> acquainted.
>
> The novel itself requires no "moral lesson" for its validation.  It is we,
> the readers, who want rather desperately to find such a lesson present --
> in this we are like HH himself. HH no doubt would say to us, while
> charmingly smiling,  "Hypocrite lecteur..."
>
> Ray
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> On December 18, 2015 3:25:35 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeahp. One--I--can sound silly defending fictional " truth" in such a
>> writer. so it be. We differ. Nabokov's LOLITA would be nothing but a
>> stylistic exercise if he did not believe and show in the novel awareness
>> that pedophilia IS pedophilia. My perhaps lame remark on him " getting what
>> he deserves" was, if I remember correctly, a verbal allusion to Humbert's
>> very words as HE suggested his proper punishment, if you will remember.
>>
>> Totally amoral or whatever as you position re Nabokov , you will need to
>> explain Humber's recognition scene and subsequent awareness.
>>
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>>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 7:37 PM, Ray Easton <raymond.lee.easton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> When I say 'Nabakov does not care a fig...' I am not referring to what the
>>> man in his "non-fic life" did or did not believe.  (I don't care about such
>>> things.)  I mean that his novels have no moral viewpoint and present no
>>> moral lessons.
>>>
>>> HH "gets what he deserves" -- you sound like John Ray, Jr., PhD.
>>>
>>> Ray
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>>>> On December 17, 2015 5:35:40 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> yeah, Nabokov greatly dissed 'morality' in fiction all his non-fic life...
>>>> but he did believe in themes and human goodness and badness..
>>>>
>>>> some take Nabokov's constant dissing of 'morality' as part-act (against
>>>> lousy, sentimental poshlost fiction) and part unreliable narrator...
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, he recognized love and death and themes related to and life
>>>> and sense perceptions and
>>>> so much more in his own
>>>> and in others' fictions.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Ray Easton
>>>> <raymond.lee.easton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Morality -- Nabakov does not care a fig about morality.  And  the novel is
>>>>> designed to force us to identity not with Lokita, but with HH.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On December 17, 2015 4:40:02 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we have to identify with Lolita because common human morality....to
>>>>>> read it right....
>>>>>
>>>>>
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