GR translation: but knowing more together than they ever have so far

Mark Kohut mark.kohut at gmail.com
Sat Dec 26 20:42:52 CST 2015


I have only the Bantam at hand at he moment, but I know where you are in it now. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 25, 2015, at 9:59 PM, Perry Noid <coolwithdoc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> As a matter of fact I have that same penguin edition as you and coincidentally I discovered the same missing line just today. It got me wondering if there was anything else wrong with this edition. I don't have any other copy to cross reference and that would be quite the daunting task so I went ahead and ordered another, from Vintage, Google says it is faithful to the first edition. 
> 
>> On Friday, December 25, 2015, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, actually this does not affect the translation much at all, since a literal translation seems easy enough.  It's just something I was wondering about.
>> 
>> Which editions do you have at hand, Mark and Perry.  The page and line numbers I was quoting are supposed to be from the Viking edition.  My own paperback copy is a Penguin edition published in 2006, which curiously is missing the last line on page 139.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I did not have a copy that keyed to yours handy either and now I have found it.
>>> 
>>> No, you are not mistaken, I am....I was queasy about the sister, not
>>> quite remembering how she was there
>>> in supposed fictional reality...so, yes, his eyes meet Enzian's.....
>>> 
>>> C'mon everyone, let's all help Mike more.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Mike Jing
>>> <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I'm not sure if I'm reading you correctly, but here it's the eyes of
>>> > Christian and Enzian that now meet, unless I'm terribly mistaken.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I am not too confident but I guess I have read it almost
>>> >> impressionistically, phenomenologically; that since they have the closeness
>>> >> of siblings and since one's dream life is a good in Pynchon, that she
>>> >> entered his dream with such a message of no revenge, trust and love, when
>>> >> their eyes now meet, he is not " amused" enough to accept the dream, she can
>>> >> see that, ( one way they know more together) yet he is not disagreeing, "
>>> >> challenging" and she can see that, so their combined self-awareness of sorta
>>> >> everything, but I guess each other but maybe rocket and revenge also ( or
>>> >> most)
>>> >> I'd like to hear what another translator on the Plist thinks.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPad
>>> >>
>>> >> On Dec 24, 2015, at 6:13 AM, Perry Noid <coolwithdoc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I didn't see your question posted initially. I hope someone else chimes in
>>> >> because I really don't know.  I was trying to find the section in my copy
>>> >> but our page numbers do not line up. Does this come before or after Byron
>>> >> the bulb?
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thursday, December 24, 2015, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Does this mean they know more about the Rocket and Blicero? About each
>>> >>> other? Or something else?  The first seems to be the most likely.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Mike Jing
>>> >>> <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> V673.30-39   Christian comes past, downhill adjusting a web belt, not
>>> >>>> quite swaggering—night before last his sister Maria visited him in a dream
>>> >>>> to tell him she wished no revenge against anyone, and wanted him to trust
>>> >>>> and love the Nguarorerue—so their eyes now meet not quite amused nor quite
>>> >>>> yet in a challenge, but knowing more together than they ever have so far,
>>> >>>> and Christian’s hand at the moment of passing cocks out half in salute, half
>>> >>>> in celebration, aimed toward the Heath, northwesterly, Kingdom-of-Deathward,
>>> >>>> and Enzian’s goes out the same way, iya, ’kurandye! as, at some point, the
>>> >>>> two palms do slide and brush, do touch, and it is touch and trust enough,
>>> >>>> for this moment . . .
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> what does "but knowing more together than they ever have so far“ mean
>>> >>>> here?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >
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